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BSN vs. RN Salary - page 5

Hi! I got a lot of information about RN salaries from another thread. What it seems to be, is that around the Bham area, starting salaries are at about $18/hr. My question is, to any of you that... Read More

  1. Visit  ready2forsuccess profile page
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    magnet status just means basically the facility does not hire LPN's for direct patient care. Most facilities perfer BSN but it is not required. When you start that whole process of not hiring ADN vs BSN and the job description is the same you are now opening the doors for many law suits. Last I have plenty of friends which hold BSN who wished they had only gotten the ADN same level of nursing same level of care for the patient.
  2. Visit  cpl_dvldog profile page
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    As an entry level RN in most hospitals, both ADN and BSN, typically start out the same. It is after working a few years is where having the higher degree will pay off. To move up in your career, which I hope everyone wants to do, will require more than an ADN. Of course there are some exceptions to this. I have known some ADN nurses that have advanced after many years on the job. It really is no secret that most hospitals prefer a BSN educated nurse. If you don't believe this you are kidding yourself. Not many HR people are looking for employees that will stay at entry level. They are hiring for the future of the company. As I have stated before the VA Health System will hire both ADN's and BSN's but ADN's will not progress above a Level 1 paygrade. Also a BSN will hire on at the ADN with 1 year pay grade.

    I graduated this week with an ADN and plan to apply to an RN-BSN mobility program as soon as I can. Personally in 10 years I don't want to compete for higher paying jobs with a BSN that has been nursing for 2-3 years.
  3. Visit  megstudent7 profile page
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    I have a question related to this discussion thread. I hold a bachelor's degree already from a liberal arts college. I am applying for an ADN program. I would prefer to pursue a BSN, but it's just too competitve in Minneapolis for a decent school right now. SO, if I get my ADN--which will cost less, be less competitive for admission and take less time to do than a BSN--will my BA allow me to call myself a BSN "equivalent?" See what I mean? How would I bill myself? Would my BA in theater at least get me a little something somewhere?
  4. Visit  cpl_dvldog profile page
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    Quote from megstudent7
    I have a question related to this discussion thread. I hold a bachelor's degree already from a liberal arts college. I am applying for an ADN program. I would prefer to pursue a BSN, but it's just too competitve in Minneapolis for a decent school right now. SO, if I get my ADN--which will cost less, be less competitive for admission and take less time to do than a BSN--will my BA allow me to call myself a BSN "equivalent?" See what I mean? How would I bill myself? Would my BA in theater at least get me a little something somewhere?
    Will having a BA in theater coupled with an ADN be considered a BSN? Nope. There are classes taken in a BSN program that you will not take in an ADN program, such as Pathophysiology of Professional Nursing, Informatics and Research for Nurse Practice, Leadership and Management, plus an elective such as Critical Care nursing. Community and Public Health nursing is a class all in itself in the BSN program. Not to mention the additional core classes that you most likely don't have with your BA degree such as Nutrition, and Ethics in Society. Your diploma and transcripts will say ADN, not BSN.
  5. Visit  aznbaby profile page
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    Every nurses I've talked to has been so discouraging about me going for my ADN. I'm currently a working LPN, there is only 1 LPN-BSN program in my state which really sucks considering I'd love to go for my BSN but it would be a 2 hrs commute. But I decided I'm gonna go to my CC and try to get into the LPN-ADN program there because my LPN program is affiliated with the CC. But everybody said I won't find any hospital jobs as an ADN and I should just quit. I don't know if its true or not but it really got me thinking.
  6. Visit  cpl_dvldog profile page
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    There are two groups of people that you should never listen to, everybody and they. Going from an LPN to an ADN would never be a bad move. I have not heard of any geographic area where a person with an ADN is not hireable, except as a military nurse.
  7. Visit  BamaBeachbound78 profile page
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    Every nurses I've talked to has been so discouraging about me going for my ADN. I'm currently a working LPN, there is only 1 LPN-BSN program in my state which really sucks considering I'd love to go for my BSN but it would be a 2 hrs commute. But I decided I'm gonna go to my CC and try to get into the LPN-ADN program there because my LPN program is affiliated with the CC. But everybody said I won't find any hospital jobs as an ADN and I should just quit. I don't know if its true or not but it really got me thinking.
    Quite the contrary. Most hospitals still hire ADNs for the time being, I know ours does. They are rumors that they will stop in the near future but as of now they still do. My best advice would be to contact the hospital you are interested in human resources department to validate whether they are or not. Also, there are several online ADN-BSN fast track programs out there, I think at UAB or USA. So I think it would be beneficial for you to get your ADN then shoot for you BSN, especially if you could do it online and not have to commute the 2 hrs.
  8. Visit  vascgenmaleRN profile page
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    how do you conclude that ADN nurses do not hold a "College Degree"?....WOW
  9. Visit  gr8ape profile page
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    I've been an ADN for 15 years and will graduate with my BSN next month - yay! I never thought I would get my BSN nor did I feel the need UNTIL the hospital I was working for starting changing their policies.

    I worked for the Methodist Healthcare system for nearly 4 years, which is affiliated/partially owned by HCA. They are pursuing magnet status and have a huge push to hire only BSN prepared nurses. My unit has about 51% ADN and 49% BSN. All current ADN nurses are encouraged to get their BSN. All managers are now required to have a BSN and are given a time limit to enroll and graduate. If they fail to comply they will be removed from their position and replaced. All staff RN's can participate in the clinical ladder - the higher the degree, the more points that can be earned, in effect making the clinical ladder a little easier for the BSN and the MSN prepared candidate, also providing more pay.

    I now work for the VA - and yes earlier posts were correct, they have Nurse I, Nurse II, and Nurse III categories. An ADN nurse will forever be in the Nurse I bracket as the Nurse II entry is a BSN. As well as levels there are also different pay scales, so in this case more education = more pay. The military only recognizes BSN nurses - I have 2 coworkers with ADN degrees that were reservists for the Air Force and they were told that to continue in the Nurse Corps reserves they needed to complete their BSN degree.

    This is what I think.... the world of nursing is constantly evolving and changing, which is a great thing. Healthcare is changing. The job market is also changing. I do not believe there is a nursing shortage - I think that is a marketing ploy used for nursing programs. Honestly, I believe the market is somewhat saturated and is now very competitive.

    I work in the OR, and nationwide the OR has a less than 1% vacancy rate - we had over 30 applicants for one staff RN vacancy. I was told all of the BSN applicants are placed in one pile, the ADN in another. They start with the BSN pile and if they are not satisfied then they move to the ADN group. So yes, there is still a mix of ADN and BSN, but I predict there will be a stronger shift for hiring BSN nurses. It's a employers market and if the nurse manager is a huge proponent/supporter for nurse education they will look to hire the BSN nurse.

    I feel very fortunate to have worked in many facilities and have had great exposure - I was a travel nurse for about 5 years - and I worked in hospitals that only hired BSN nurses. I was offered permanent positions but they were contingent on advancing my ADN. During those years I was not interested in returning to school, so I declined and kept traveling.

    I now have planted roots and can see the delicate job market so it was my personal choice to get my BSN. I encourage everyone to do what is right for them. We are all nurses and the level of education doesn't make one nurse any better than another. I think that for today's times the level of education can provide different opportunities.
  10. Visit  cpl_dvldog profile page
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    Gr8ape... Thank you for a very informative post. Often people are so dead set their way is the best way they fail to see the forest for the trees. ADN nurses can argue all they want that a BSN is not needed. Perhaps it was not needed 7-10 yrs ago. In this market having a BSN will only make you more competative. The hospital I work in states on all job postings (BSN preferred). They are not kidding. I have asked why since both ADN and BSN have passed the same boards and can do the same job. The DON told me it is because they are not hiring for career staff nurses, they are hiring for future management. Starting with a BSN nurse makes that easier.

    ADN's can beat their chests and yell they are just as good and often times better, but that does not change the fact that Masters educated people are doing the hiring, and often they see having an ADN too far down the ladder.
  11. Visit  NSdrama profile page
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    In the military healthcare system, they are not hiring ADN's. I have been told that ADN's will be retained, however future hires will require a BSN.
    ~Melissa
    Last edit by Pixie.RN on Dec 6, '11 : Reason: TOS: removed link
  12. Visit  doelle profile page
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    I can only speak from what I know. I work in a private hospital, non-profit hospital and a Nurse with a BSN versus an ASN/ADN makes about 5%-10% more. I do not know if this is true for all places, it just depends. And yes, someone with a BSN has to take the same test as someone with an ASN/ADN, but as far as I am concerned they should be getting paid at least some percentage more because they do hold a Bachelors Degree versus an Associates Degree-simply by the fact they have more schooling. But there is no difference in their actual license, just that someone with a BSN can move more quickly to a Master's or administrative position.
  13. Visit  athenaspell profile page
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    Hello to all.... I cannot believe some of the posts I have read on this topic ! First off, let me say that I have been an LPN for over 30 years . I hold a PhD in another field and am now trying to decide if I should add RN core so I may sit for the NCLEX . I currently do nursing case management and work with my state on healthcare reform . I am not a trained monkey... I am a nurse with general education who has developed assessment skills at a BSN level from years or experience. Why cant nurses who do not sit in a classroom learn these skills and adopt critical thinking and problem solving in other ways ? I assure you all, they can.

    I have realized that I need more math and science as I majored in Philosophy and Music. So... After all these years, lol... I am finally considering going to get my RN. I have gone online and taken anatomy and physiology practice exams without studying and have gotten A's on most of it... I do need to learn more in depth chemistry principals . This arguing over ADN and BSN seems ridiculous to me. A nurse is compassionate, professional, can see needs and discerns how to meet them. She takes symptoms and can assess possible causes and outcomes by suggesting proper operations of care for each patient. She is familiar with pharmacological agents and can recommend and assess which drugs are needed and if they are effective . She administers treatments as prescribed by a licensed physician and collaborates with him/her to assist in managing patient care.

    I have founded three businesses, worked as an administrator and also a school nurse. I have worked in virtually every setting including ICU. A nurse is not someone who holds a degree, she is what I described above. Although degree's are required to protect patients from improper care it does not pridefully elevate me above those who do not hold them. Show me an LPN, ADN, BSN MSN who operates in the above principals and standards of care with tact and professional abilities... regardless of how she attained them and I will say, not only is she a nurse, she is a GREAT NURSE . Her care and skills are the elements of leadership and a beacon to the other nurses on her team. I do feel education can be an asset but I think the social nursing process can be achieved from adequate experience . No nurse is a trained monkey . The professor who made that statement is prideful.


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