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Trump's 'religious conscience'

Has anyone heard of this? Its saying that basically ANY healthcare worker has the right as of July 22nd to refuse care to a patient due to the healthcare worker's moral beliefs or religion. I'm so confused. First of all we as healthcare workers are here to help EVERYONE. Most people think it will effect LGBTQ or women, which I can definitely see happening. I mean rapists are against my morals so does that mean I can refuse treatment? I've been looking this up trying to find some clarification.

On the NPR website it states "Last month, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services put out a new rule that "implements full and robust enforcement" of existing laws that protect what the administration calls "conscience rights" for health care workers. The rule is set to go into effect on July 22."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/11/730659035/-patients-will-die-one-county-s-challenge-to-trump-s-conscience-rights-rule

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/28/politics/legal-challenge-hhs-conscience-objection-rule/index.html

I added two links of articles I have found on it, still confused though. Any thoughts or facts you guys have?

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    4 hours ago, NewMexNurse said:

    Sign me up. I'm against placing NG tubes, scripted communication, whiteboard updating in the ER and angry homeless people with maggots in their feet.

    What I am truly against is LTC residents with feet maggots. Which I do see.

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    Back in the dark ages, when I was in school, a fellow RN student asked about how to handle abortions if one is not in agreement.

    The instructor said "just don't take a job like that".

    It seemed rather straightforward.

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    I'm against the OR nurse that refused to assist on D and C on a women who had a miscarriage. I would like to supervise those radically stupid in hell for their eternity like we believe in my religion.

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    Trump's entire goal in this world, his reason for living and breathing, is to spread as much corruption, division, and hate as humanly possible.

    The only person Trump cares about his himself.

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    1 minute ago, subee said:

    I'm against the OR nurse that refused to assist on D and C on a women who had a miscarriage. I would like to supervise those radically stupid in hell for their eternity like we believe in my religion.

    In my facility she would have been fired for that. A missed abortion or post-miscarriage is not an abortion. That is why she would have been fired. It is medical care.

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    See this is the problem with medicine. Why are non medical idiots making rules for medical professionals? Can they have that same energy for bankers and police out here ruining lives? We're too passive when it comes to nursing. That's why most hospitals are going to hell, too many book medical bridge folks running units but never put in the grunt work to know what the hell they're talking about. Bridge programs and non medical administrators are anarchists!

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    1 hour ago, NurseBlaq said:

    See this is the problem with medicine. Why are non medical idiots making rules for medical professionals? Can they have that same energy for bankers and police out here ruining lives? We're too passive when it comes to nursing. That's why most hospitals are going to hell, too many book medical bridge folks running units but never put in the grunt work to know what the hell they're talking about. Bridge programs and non medical administrators are anarchists!

    Oh yes and thank you

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    I'm absolutely opposed to a-hole politicians who want this country to be run by their personal relgious views, while destroying healthcare, education, and any form of middle class. Although I have no problem taking care of them if they choose assisted side. Oh! That might have been a bit too political...

    I'm a nurse, I don't get to choose my patients, that's part of the package.

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    12 hours ago, Jory said:

    In my facility she would have been fired for that. A missed abortion or post-miscarriage is not an abortion. That is why she would have been fired. It is medical care.

    It absolutely is an abortion, medically speaking, and it is abhorrent that you would even consider that the second sentence should have ever come into play.

    That nurse should have been fired, jailed and permanently lost her license. That is the worst kind of disgusting and a violation of medical ethics and is beyond the pale.

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    15 hours ago, subee said:

    I'm against the OR nurse that refused to assist on D and C on a women who had a miscarriage. I would like to supervise those radically stupid in hell for their eternity like we believe in my religion.

    I work pre-op/recovery, but an OR nurse friend said nurses will play the "I'm against abortion" card for miscarriages just because they don't like doing D&C's.

    My religion forbids caring for frail, elderly, debilitated adults who are intubated, on tube feeds, NG tubes, foley's , etc. and are simply ready to die.

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    On 6/13/2019 at 1:07 PM, MunoRN said:

    I'm not necessarily opposed to it, so long as my religious beliefs are included: I'm religiously opposed to double charting, any time spent doing things that don't clearly benefit the patient, scripted communication with patients or family, doing what my superiors tell me to do, giving kayexalate, etc.

    I love this response, MunoRN. I'll be chuckling for the rest of the day now. Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity and common sense! In all seriousness, though, our society needs to take a long hard look at itself in the mirror. What kind of world to we really want to live in? I want a world where my government and my religion are SEPARATE sources of guidance, within which I have the personal freedom to make my own decisions. I'm concerned that we are slowly but surely legislating away our individual liberties and eroding the founding principles of the USA to the point where they could disappear completely. That would make me very sad.

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    I find it interesting that our president is so eager to insert religion into politics, because he is anything but a follower of Jesus.

    That being said, I am against abortion but would never refuse care to a woman or girl who had one. I simply wouldn't work in a place where I had to deal with abortion. It's common sense.

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