MInurse2b

Do you need these nurses or staff people to do your job? More than likely you don’t. Ignore them and do your job. Don’t let the likes of people like that run you away from a job you like. That’s what they want and I wouldn’t let them mess with my money or job opportunity unless they were somehow able to put my license at risk. Run from here and likely you’ll always be running because no place is perfect and you’ll just encounter the same type of people somewhere else. There are difficult people and cliques in every job. It may be hard not to feel supported and have to deal with wannabe workplace bullies, but in today’s time I feel you’ve got to stand up for yourself regardless of being seen as an outcast. People love to pick with someone that they believe is timid. This isn’t grade school and some people need a professional reminder to grow up. Maybe you can tell your DON again and be sure to put it in writing. If all else fails. Next, although uncomfortable, I believe you have to begin to address your bullies head on. In a professional way of course. People often don’t know how to take that when they’re use to someone being passive. What’s the worst they can do for you speaking your mind and standing up for yourself? At the end of the day, you don’t have to take these people home with you and what they think doesn’t count in the grander scheme of things.

I think your missing the point. This man Never wore one. Don’t try to downplay the protective capabilities of wearing a mask. Although it’s not 100% fool proof the chances of contracting the virus with everyone doing their part is almost zilch. It’s the lack thereof that is the problem. The fact someone would be so prideful and take this lightly in the face of what we’ve all seen shows how ignorant and foolish people are...both those that won’t wear one and those who downplay some of the only forms of protection we have to bring this virus under control and stomp it out.

And I was doing the same. True, she should be cautious. I was just adding to what she said. As for some ppl not saying she has no right to stop being a nurse, it seems there are a few ppl judging her decision. Nursing like anything else isn’t necessarily for everyone. Yeah she’s choosing a way lower paying job, and honestly some of us probably can’t understand why given all of the different types of nursing opportunities out there. But hey, maybe she’s got it made monetarily and doesn’t need nursing for the money. Either way, nothing beats having a peace of mind, not having the same pressure about malpractice hanging over your head, and feeling happy and content about your career choice.

If she allows her license to lapse that isn’t necessarily true. She would be held to the standards of her CNA position. As long as she upholds the requirements that a CNA is expected to do, she can’t legally be held accountable to do what the RN role requires (ie. calling a physician in place of the RN if something is wrong, adverse events, documenting like an RN should, etc.). At best she should cover herself noting if she did have to “inform” the RN of any adverse changes, etc. But she doesn’t have to perform the RN role. If she actually wants out of nursing that’s her right. Just ensure you let your license lapse.

I agree, we definitely need to double check behind administrators also. Clearly something is either wrong with the protocol in place or the nurse misinterpreted it. But either way, I think the administrators should still be able to tell this person what the ramifications will be if the surgeon doesn’t sign the order. They are actually responsible to follow up and determine what needs to happen in a situation like this.

Nope, there wasn’t.

Sounds like you really need to review the protocol in detail and become more familiar with it. And, seek clarification especially when it comes to dealing with narcs. Saying it was a verbal order when you didn’t actually receive one is irresponsible and error on your part. Part of being a nurse means unfortunately dealing with some difficult, not so nice doctors but that should never stand in the way of protecting yourself, your license, and of course the patient. So make the call to clarify when in doubt no matter how silly it might sound. What’s the worst they can do to you? And who do you think the board or law will side with if they see you were just doing due diligence to clarify in order to be safe? They get paid probably triple what you do...make them do their job. If you don’t, then you’ll find yourself in situations like this. Your supervisor/DON should know the answer on the ramifications and give you guidance if the surgeon doesn’t sign it. For med errors/sentinel events in my facility, typically we would have to file a report. A clinical staff reviews it and determines the seriousness and if any disciplinary action should be taken. It is more as a teachable moment rather than just trying to penalize staff unless they were clearly and extremely negligent. It also helps identify and fix errors or inconsistencies in protocols/policies which could lead others to make similar mistakes. This error doesn’t necessarily mean your going to lose your license...that might be jumping the gun. But you should ensure it doesn’t happen again. In the meantime, sounds like you should direct this question towards your supervisor/leadership for a more accurate answer as to what could happen and guidance on how to handle this.

And when did I call her insane? Read and get your facts straight. I clearly responded to what someone said about this being an “insane profession.” If your concerned about being able to have a discussion without the use of “derogatives” then start addressing the people who make the derogatory comments. Then they won’t warrant responses like mine. If me saying this person needs a psych eval was derogatory, well that was my personal opinion because it seems professional help might me needed to determine the cause of this persons fixation and obsession on this one patient which she admits has become quite unhealthy and possibly crossed boundaries. Maybe this patient even reminds her of someone close or there’s other underlying reasons. There’s no nicer way to put it.

Well it’s not the profession that’s “insane,” you mean it’s some of the people working in it. It’s not for everyone especially those who can’t honor and uphold nursing ethics and codes of conduct.

Then why are you asking for advice if your not willing to listen to what people are saying or seem to already have the answer? If your okay with your very odd, wrongful and unprofessional behavior then don’t ask for people’s feedback. I don’t think your handling this right and within professional boundaries, and not to be mean but honestly it seems like you need a psych eval.

Follow what your mind tells you, for you know your strengths and weaknesses. Math is a huge component in nursing and so is knowing your terminology. The more you know the better. If math is not a strong suite for you, i would definitely say take the course at WC3D in the meantime. It will help your understanding and get you prepared. I wish i took terminology before entering the program...it would've helped me in clinicals and to correctly answer a few terminology based test questions in some of my previous classes also :)

thanks for posting this :) luv that it's formatted after the actual examination.

Congratulations everyone!! I'm Done with M/S III and Issues...one more semester to go! Hope everyone enjoys winter break! Time to get some R&R and celebrate.

You wouldn't think graduate nurses would be in low demand by any means. There is definitely a shortage in nursing but as others stated the present state of our economy really has things on hold! Hopefully our government will start getting it together soon because what is happening is going to affect everyone, even us nurses :) In fact, I have a good friend who is graduating next week and has been working at Henry Ford for almost a year now with the intent of being hired in as a GN. They praise her for her work ethic and don't want to lose her but won't offer her a transitional position due to possible budget cuts. I'm sure it's all discouraging but there is something out there for you. Just keeping searching and you'll land what you want.

Congratulations!!! I can't wait till I get to say those very words. I was at the Western Campus today when some of your classmates who were getting their final grades for Peds nearly alarmed the entire campus with screams of JOY. Faculty and security didn't really understand the reason for the commotion...if only they knew what we go through :) Best wishes with passing boards!

WCCCD is absolutely accredited through the State of Michigan which is the only true seal of approval needed to graduate nurses. No school could run a nursing college without the 'States' approval period. So yes, WC3D is accredited. The accrediting institution you are speaking of is more like an additional seal of approval, and is not necessarily required (at least not for ADN programs the last time I checked - most four year colleges carry this accreditation though). Metaphorically, for schools to have the NLNAC accreditation is just like us joining a nursing organization like NSNA, ANA, etc. We're not required to have memberships with these organizations to practice nursing, they just look good on resume - same thing with the NLNAC. Besides the proof is in the pudding....WC3D has been graduating legitimate nurses that have gone on to become fairly accomplished which have not had any problems whatsoever transitioning into the workforce nor going on for higher education.

I know the waiting is frustrating. But it's important to not start this program, as well as any other, with a truly negative view of the school or else your experience will not be pleasant. So try to remain positive because your going to need every bit of it. Personally speaking as a current student, you may experience last minute changes in this program. I am in my third semester and every single semester the nursing office has either changed my clinical site or lecture times at the last minute to much of my disapproval (mind the fact that I ended up in the top 20 in lottery and had first pick of the litter this past semester). So if your lifestyle doesn't allow flexibility and your easily distraught by what seems to be 'insensitivity' on part of the nursing office, sadly I have to say to go here your going to have to get use to it. Granted this type of thing probably happens at other schools also. Just have to prepare yourself for these unexpected changes. Again, I know how nerve-wrecking it is to wait for that "happy letter" (I thought I was going to have to replace my mailbox because I checked it like everyday all day), but they do understand you have to get prepared and it will more than likely arrive sooner than you think. Best wishes to you all and I hope you will be doing a lot of this soon....

Sorry things didn't work out for you at WC3. I am familiar with just about every university nursing program in the Metro Detroit area . All of the requirements and pre-reqs are listed online at their websites. Best thing is to call and set up a meeting with a counselor in the nursing office or attend an informational (take all your transcripts with you!). All of those programs you mentioned are really competitive and receive tons of applications, so your grades have to be near impeccable if trying to get into a traditional program. For some reason there is more leniency grade wise for those going for second degrees or RN/BSN. If you feel your grades may not cut it, don't fear - remember the GPA may be re-evaluated so that is why it is good to meet with a counselor and they can tell you what will or won't be accepted, where you stand, or what you need to do. All of these schools you mentioned do not accept grades towards your gpa, just credit. Our nursing classes from WC3 won't transfer - only the pre-reqs and some of the co-reqs in most cases. UM was the only one I found to be most stringent and didn't want to accept nearly anything. For all of these schools you must get admitted to the college itself and then apply to the nursing college. One thing I like about universities is their ability to look at the whole picture - they evaluate you as a student and not just by your gpa. If grades are a problem - some people go ahead and get generally admitted to the school of their choice and take classes which can start off your gpa and then when ready to apply to the nursing college you can show that you can do higher level work, also that your serious. Eastern, Madonna, U of D, and Oakland Univ may be, in my opinion, easier colleges to get into for traditional students. Before attending WC3 I was seriously considering a second-degree BSN program and got accepted at U of D but for economic reasons chose the ADN. The program was only 12 mos but what I pay at WC3 would have been times 20. There was barely any waiting there and they were willing to consider me without me having completed my chemistry requirements Best wishes. Whatever you choose, you can do it!!

Made it through Psych and did pretty well. Had a good instructor and learned a lot. Now heading to M/S III Missgigius - did your class have their first exam the second week? CONGRATS everyone!!

Had these articles saved in my favorites folder for quite some time. I haven't had the chance to review the sites in depth since I'm not taking Issues just yet. I think the ones from Univ. of Missouri may show a detailed format of what should be included as it pertains to your topic. On this site, under whatever topic you choose, you must click on "next" at the bottom of the page to continue reading the case study in its entirety. Hope this helps and gives you some guidance... University of Missouri link: http://www.vhct.org/studies.htm http://books.google.com/books?id=BotJKlc24MkC&dq=write+a+nursing+case+study&pg=PP1&ots=lyh--DjZPU&source=citation&sig=1h5HKihXQO_bClBXsJIUi_V6JWs&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=11&ct=result#PPA34,M1

LOL...someone reminded me of this too...I'm definitely not trying to prolong my graduation date by any means :) I must say though 8 mos in nursing school feels like an eternity! Wishing everyone a successful year!

Actually you don't have to be a fully licensed RN to pass meds or narcotics. You can be certified to do so such as in the case of Direct Care Workers that work in group homes/institutions. As a certified DCW I passed meds for well over five years before entering nursing school. I had to handle psychotropics, narcotics (plus doing narcotic count with coworkers), etc. Personal liability is definitely my greatest concern. I simply don't want to be doing something outside of our code of ethics. I guess I'll abide by the rule: when in doubt don't do it. Thanks for responding.:)

:eek:LOL. Frankly I don't think it totally concerns them either. But, I just want to remain in compliance with my school's policies. After a year now of very hard work and personal challenges because of being in nursing school, the last thing I want to do is compromise all of this. Thanks for replying.

I've been offered a position that involves passing meds and possibly handling narcotics. Although a great opportunity to learn I'm feeling a bit uneasy since I haven't been able to speak with anyone at the nursing office since the move, and soon I'll have to give this place my decision. Are we allowed to take such positions??? Any feedback is greatly appreciated :redbeathe

I also have a degree in Psych. I am currently in my second year of an ADN program. I have to say I WISH that I became a CNA and had other experience before I entered the program. It could have helped me with my anxiousness and apprehension when I first began. I was shell-shocked after not having this depth of medical experience. I think you have the right idea. Becoming a CNA will give you insight into what you have to look forward to and helps get you in place to start collaborating with doctors and/or nurses. I worked as a Direct Care Worker for nearly five years but that position has nothing on the work of being a CNA and learning how to become a proficient, competent RN. There are different CNA programs which vary in length in the metro Detroit area. I believe there is a program offered by the State (statewide) which entitles you to your money back for the training as well as the testing fees after you complete and have secured a job as a CNA, if you are within a certain income level. Sorry don't know the name off hand of the particular place You'd have to search for that one unless someone on here knows. Another idea is you can wait until you finish Foundations of Nursing and apply for the exemption and just take the test. But since your not yet admitted I'd say take whatever CNA course which usually ranges btwn 3-12 wks depending and get started. Good luck!