Johns Hopkins DNP CRNA

[mgfam]

Just saw that JHU is hiring directors for its own CRNA program. It would be interesting to see two CRNA programs cross street to each other.

[Shanimal]

Just saw that JHU is hiring directors for its own CRNA program. It would be interesting to see two CRNA programs cross street to each other.

I think you've been misinformed or simply misunderstood something you've heard. Johns Hopkins does indeed have DNP programs, but not an entry-to-practice nurse anesthesia program. Their hospital is a clinical site for nurse anesthesia students for multiple schools though. Perhaps their hiring notice for a CRNA director is referring to a position that involves overseeing the clinical training of those students at their site, which is different from a CRNA program director. Do you have a link you could share?

[mgfam]

Full-Time Ranked Faculty- Nurse Anesthesia (CRNA) DNP Program, Director and Assistant Director Job Opening in Baltimore, Maryland - American Association of Nurse Anesthetists

[Shanimal]

Ah, OK, thanks for the link. From your initial post I thought you were implying that Johns Hopkins currently has an entry-to-practice nurse anesthesia program. Now that I see the job posting, my impression is that JH may be hiring for a program director to assist with the initial accreditation process and development of an entry-to-practice nurse anesthesia program, because at this time JH is not COA-accredited, nor does it appear to have a pending application for COA accreditation. Even in the case that JH eventually does develop its own program, I'm not sure that it's necessarily a bad thing to be in the same city as UMD's program since Baltimore is a fairly large city and there are so many potential clinical sites in the surrounding areas.

Personally I wouldn't take issue with JH having its own program as long as it does the following: 1) produces nurse anesthetists with a wide range of clinical experiences in different practice environments, 2) ensures that nurse anesthesia students do not have to compete with residents to get the clinical experience they need, and 3) the nurse anesthetists they produce graduate with the ability to safely and confidently practice without a physician anesthesiologist's supervision, regardless of what practice environment they choose to work in after graduation and boards.

[Shanimal]

^Haha sorry for the multiple edits in my above post. Not sure if it was something with this site, my connection, or whatever else, but my comment kept posting before I had a chance to look it over and make sure it was saying what I was intending it to say LOL

[mgfam]

Ah, OK, thanks for the link. From your initial post I thought you were implying that Johns Hopkins currently has an entry-to-practice nurse anesthesia program. Now that I see the job posting, my impression is that JH may be hiring for a program director to assist with the initial accreditation process and development of an entry-to-practice nurse anesthesia program, because at this time JH is not COA-accredited, nor does it appear to have a pending application for COA accreditation. Even in the case that JH eventually does develop its own program, I'm not sure that it's necessarily a bad thing to be in the same city as UMD's program since Baltimore is a fairly large city and there are so many potential clinical sites in the surrounding areas.

Personally I wouldn't take issue with JH having its own program as long as it does the following: 1) produces nurse anesthetists with a wide range of clinical experiences in different practice environments, 2) ensures that nurse anesthesia students do not have to compete with residents to get the clinical experience they need, and 3) the nurse anesthetists they produce graduate with the ability to safely and confidently practice without a physician anesthesiologist's supervision, regardless of what practice environment they choose to work in after graduation and boards.

That is a nice conversation, and it is exactly what I would think about this future program. It is hard to avoid competitions at Johns Hopkins Hospital which is a main site for residency. Hope at least SRNA at JHU in the future could get some cases in JHH. Among all the major and wellknown medical insitutions. some of them do not offer the main hospital for SRNA to get cases, such as Upenn, Emory and Columbia(?). Just hope this future program, as you mentioned, could produce some well-prepared CRNAs for patients and our NA community.

[Shanimal]

It is hard to avoid competitions at Johns Hopkins Hospital which is a main site for residency.

Just my opinion, but I don't think the co-presence of an anesthesia residency and a nurse anesthesia program at the same institution is necessarily a bad thing, as long as the nurse anesthesia students don't have to compete against residents for the clinical experience they need. I consider myself fortunate to be in a program that, while part of a university that also has a residency program, ensures we have more than enough cases to get the wide range of skills and experiences we need, whether it's in the university medical center, in the surrounding areas, or in areas much further away if we choose to.