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Beerman said:

Two of those three have nowhere near the influence that BBC does.

Anyway, I'd love to see your example that is similar to what the BBC did with this Trump video. 

Fox News, Newsmax and OAN are the top news television news sources for MAGA. I think that's pretty influential. I'm not including any of the pundit personalities like Tucker Carlson or Daily Caller etc that are probably even more influential, and far more misleading

Here are some examples: 

Circulating short video clips that made Biden look like he was saying it doing things he didn't, by cutting them out of context.

Ex: The New York Post, showed Biden turning away from a group of G7 leaders and giving a thumbs-up gesture, implying that he was wandering off or confused. The original, full video showed he was momentarily turning to give a thumbs-up to a skydiver who had just landed as part of a demonstration, the edited clip had been zoomed in to remove that context.  

Fox News edited a clip of Biden speaking about Satchel Paige where he said "adopted the attitude of the great Negro, at the time pitcher in the Negro Leagues, went on to become a great pitcher in the pros in Major League Baseball after Jackie Robinson, his name was Satchel Paige".

Edited version: "adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time, pitcher, name was Satchel Paige." (Edited to make it sound racially insensitive, when in context he was using the term that was used in the day of the "Negro leagues" )

 Fox published a story claiming SNAP beneficiaries were threatening to "ransack stores" over benefit cuts. Later, many of the clips it cited were revealed to be AI-generated. Rather than admitting the "error" and issuing a standalone correction or retraction to be transparent, they changed the article post-publication and added an editor's note acknowledging that "some videos appear to have been generated by AI.” 

Newsmax aired a segment using 6 images of empty store shelves suggesting supply-chain shortages under Biden. But the photos were taken in other countries and in different contexts. 

Promoting conspiracy claims about 2020 election and specifically false information about voting systems. Resulted in judicial rulings finding defamation. Remember all these settlements paid to avoid trial

---Fox News famous $787 million settlement with Dominion

---Newsmax 67 million to settle with Dominion

---Newsmax paid $40 million to settle with Smartmatic,

OAN also paid a settlement to Smartmatic 

OAN was suspended and demonetized by YouTube for COVID-misinformation (news video promoted a false cure).

mtmkjr said:

Fox News, Newsmax and OAN are the top news television news sources for MAGA. I think that's pretty influential. I'm not including any of the pundit personalities like Tucker Carlson or Daily Caller etc that are probably even more influential, and far more misleading

Here are some examples: 

Circulating short video clips that made Biden look like he was saying it doing things he didn't, by cutting them out of context.

Ex: The New York Post, showed Biden turning away from a group of G7 leaders and giving a thumbs-up gesture, implying that he was wandering off or confused. The original, full video showed he was momentarily turning to give a thumbs-up to a skydiver who had just landed as part of a demonstration, the edited clip had been zoomed in to remove that context.  

Fox News edited a clip of Biden speaking about Satchel Paige where he said "adopted the attitude of the great Negro, at the time pitcher in the Negro Leagues, went on to become a great pitcher in the pros in Major League Baseball after Jackie Robinson, his name was Satchel Paige".

Edited version: "adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time, pitcher, name was Satchel Paige." (Edited to make it sound racially insensitive, when in context he was using the term that was used in the day of the "Negro leagues" )

 Fox published a story claiming SNAP beneficiaries were threatening to "ransack stores" over benefit cuts. Later, many of the clips it cited were revealed to be AI-generated. Rather than admitting the "error" and issuing a standalone correction or retraction to be transparent, they changed the article post-publication and added an editor's note acknowledging that "some videos appear to have been generated by AI.” 

Newsmax aired a segment using 6 images of empty store shelves suggesting supply-chain shortages under Biden. But the photos were taken in other countries and in different contexts. 

Promoting conspiracy claims about 2020 election and specifically false information about voting systems. Resulted in judicial rulings finding defamation. Remember all these settlements paid to avoid trial

---Fox News famous $787 million settlement with Dominion

---Newsmax 67 million to settle with Dominion

---Newsmax paid $40 million to settle with Smartmatic,

OAN also paid a settlement to Smartmatic 

OAN was suspended and demonetized by YouTube for COVID-misinformation (news video promoted a false cure).

I've never watched a minute of Newsmax or OAN.  Your claim that they are "top news sources" is unsubstantiated.

I don't see a big problem with how Fox handled the AI screw-up if it's how you describe above. 

I guess you could make a case, a weak case, that Fox was trying to damage him with the Satchel Paige "controversy".  I had to look it up.  They ran his full comments more often than the slightly edited version.

https://apnews.com/general-news-453bd99f1301f76b68368f0a5b2f59ec

Anyway, I asked for something on the level as the BBC editing Trump to make it look like he directly instructed people to attack the Capitol.  You failed to deliver.

GrumpyRN said:

Because it was not meant for a US audience. It was never broadcast in America and you didn't see it until it was politicised by The Telegraph. Do you scan every country to see if they are saying anything about your dear leader? 

 

By your logic then you shouldn't be concerned about anything Fox News does.

GrumpyRN said:

As an example, I saw a clip on FOX news recently that was trying to help Epstein by saying that he liked 15 year old girls so that didn't make him a paedophile. I'm sorry, but it does.

That wasn't Fox News.  Check you sources and try again.

GrumpyRN said:

As an example, I saw a clip on FOX news recently that was trying to help Epstein by saying that he liked 15 year old girls so that didn't make him a paedophile. I'm sorry, but it does.

Speaking of faux outrage, not only was this not on FOX, but the person wasnt saying it for themselves.  They were reporting what a person close to the Epstein case told them this.

So, we have a person close to the case telling a radio host one thing, and her reporting on that in an interview with someone else.  In your mind, that, that somehow is evidence of "FOX trying to help Epstein".  And, she also faces backlash from the lefty outraged keyboard warriors.

Just standard operating procedure for the RLL.

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/18/nx-s1-5612509/what-does-15-look-like-teens-and-former-child-actors-weigh-in-online-after-megyn-kelly-comments

Beerman said:

Anyway, I asked for something on the level as the BBC editing Trump to make it look like he directly instructed people to attack the Capitol.  You failed to deliver.

I think promoting that lie the election was fraudulent and Trump might have won the election is pretty up there on that level because look what it let too.

That being said BBC even in America is one of the most trusted news sources and made a deliberate dishonest splice of two statements he made about an hour apart.  

In every other election in America history the loser has conceded and life went on.  Imagine if Trump would have done that instead of supporting the rally on January 6th.

I was a bit curious and BBC is the most trusted after the Weather Channel.  Like I said I listen to their podcast and go their website often.  Another poll says Democrats favor PBS, BBC and NBC the most.  I also listen to NPR.

For Republicans (not only MAGA) the most trusted are Fox News, Fox News Business, Newsmax and OAN.  

Other sources say this as well.  There is a difference where people get their news.  Social media too like Tik Tok is a big place people get their news.  I learn a lot from YouTube.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52272-trust-in-media-2025-which-news-sources-americans-use-and-trust

Beerman said:

  And, she also faces backlash from the lefty outraged keyboard warriors.

You're correct for blasting Grumpy for not checking the source as it wasn't Fox News.  

But I wanted to not believe you that it was "lefty outraged keyboard warriors" only, that people on the right would have some concerns, but perhaps you're right.  

Celebrities and social media immediately went on the attack as did liberal websites like Variety and Mother Jones.  I tried to find some backlash from the right and all I found was Meghan Kelly.  Most of the objections from people seemed to be coming from women.  

She did say it was disgusting and wasn't giving a stamp of approval on it so some of the spin is just spin.  "Like, he liked 15-year-old girls. And I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts, that he wasn't into, like, eight-year-olds."    Still implying that 15 year olds are aren't as bad as 8 year olds when there is no state where a 15 year old isn't considered a child is a moot point not worth making.  Especially when he pleaded guilty to being a sex offender and his accomplice has a 20 year sentence.  Why sugar coat it?

It's real but good to see that at least some TDS sufferers are getting help.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/therapist-says-he-received-threats-after-calling-trump-derangement-syndrome-real-pathology

Beerman said:

It's real but good to see that at least some TDS sufferers are getting help.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/therapist-says-he-received-threats-after-calling-trump-derangement-syndrome-real-pathology

I think as Trump diminishes physically, mentally and politically, the obsession with him will diminish. Taking away the source of trauma will allow healing. 

nursej22 said:

I think as Trump diminishes physically, mentally and politically, the obsession with him will diminish. Taking away the source of trauma will allow healing. 

 

I think the point is that nobody should be having "trauma" over a president they don't like, and even to the point of needing therapy. Presidents have been coming and going for almost 250 years now, get over it people. I think the "news" and social media aren't helping this situation with all the lies and rhetoric they have been spewing since before Trumps first presidency. That said I am glad they are getting help for the mental illness.