Saudi Arabia - Good Idea or Not

As seen by a Registered Nurse from the United States, who is now on assignment, it can be hard to adjust to hospital nursing in Saudi Arabia. That is particularly true in the hospital complex that serves the Saudi Royal Family. The very size of this facility is daunting. It is a 1 km straight walk from the front door to the back entrance. World General World Article

To an American nurse, it seems like an upside-down system.

The Policies and Procedures that fails to fall within any framework of prior hospital experiences. This is a place where the patients tell you when it is time for an assessment or for treatments or for meds. When a member of the Royal Family is admitted to a unit he/she is accompanied by a minimum of 3 and up to 14 servants. This includes a private nurse. You will get to know this nurse well because you do not administer the meds, but rather give them to the private nurse who gives them to the patient.

There is a high degree of racial prejudice against persons of color, South Africans, Hindus, and Filipinos, in this hospital. They are not allowed to work in the Complex of the Royal Family. A nurse with an American passport is considered white and is highly sought after. Co-workers will go to the American nurse and take her along with them when they want to communicate a plan of treatment to a family member of a patient. She is introduced as an American nurse and does the speaking for the co-worker.

The lifestyles of the Royal Family have contributed to staggering poor health. By the time they are 40-50 years old, you will find patients in this unit, male and female, have osteoporosis from lack of activity. By the time they reach 50 most of these patients have often given up on life because they have nothing to do except indulge themselves. It is sad to see them on heparin because they choose to stay in bed. They can be observed sleeping all day and eating all night. Since they are royal, you cannot tell them what to do or how to do it, even if it is for their own good. A patient may be on an insulin drip for a week while gorging on food the whole time. These patients have an inordinate amount of cancer and genetic disorders, and one in three are diabetic. It is not unusual to see a handsome prince, dressed in pristine white, clean and sweet smelling, with a body wasted by muscle atrophy.

An order for DNR does not exist, except on paper. There are upwards of 6,000 members of the Saudi Royal Family. Each one is eligible to receive a share of the Family fortune, as it is doled out. Therefore, the aged and/or infirm are kept alive by all means possible. This hospital houses an entire wing of patients who are in persistent vegetative states or are on vents or other means of artificial life support. As long as they live, their family members have a closer link to the crown and they are eligible for stipends that will be managed by their guardians.

Advantages of working as a nurse in this outpost are notable.

American nurses command the highest rate of pay. Transportation, to and from Saudi for each assignment, is paid. A one year contract can include a 2 week paid vacation. A Re-up bonus for a second year is often offered. There is no Saudi tax to pay and very few living expenses since housing is provided. There may be favorable tax treatment by the IRS as well. Uniforms are provided and will be worn, without covering, only while on duty. At all other times, when in public, a nurse must be covered head to toe with the burka. Segregated swimming pools, tennis courts, and fitness centers, etc. are provided and offer diversion. Taxis or buses are available to provide transportation to leave the complex to go shopping or site-seeing. Everything in the shopping center seems to be made in China. But, the Super Markets are great. There, you will find food from all over the world. You can spend hours just tasting special imports of the best honey, or 28 different kinds of olives on the olive counters. Hint: You might find the sweet olives are horrible. However, you may never have seen such dates. They are to die for.

Disadvantages of going to this outpost need to be pointed out. American nurses are sometimes vulnerable because they can be naive. They have enjoyed the Constitutional protection of a democratic government. They do not always carefully consider that they do not have that same protection when they leave the borders of their homeland. A study of the customs and culture of the country to which they are going is a must. Most important is an understanding of the system of government and laws.

According to the U.S. Department Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2000-2001, this Islamic country is ruled by Sharia Law, and Women's Rights are virtually non-existent. Although a state of world-wide unrest exists with the Radical Islamic countries, because of oil reserves, a policy of appeasement has been adopted by the United States. Americans in Saudi Arabia must depend on this fragile relationship to continue in order to have a semblance of safety while they are in that country. It is important to know the facts and not live in the romantic fantasy of The Arabian Nights.

In Saudi Arabia, the government seems to be made up of a system of checks and balances. The Royal Family controls the money. Money is "Power". The Islamic Radicals are the Rulers because they interpret the Law of Sharia; a system of national laws derived from the Koran and the traditions of Mohammed. The Mutawwa'in are the religious police who are the enforcers of the Law. Religious Law is Civil Law in this country. Because it is interpreted literally, it is enforced without mercy. Sharia Law identifies anyone who is not a Muslim as an Infidel and an enemy. Muslims are specifically ordered to not befriend unbelievers. Mateen Elass explains the implications of this in her book, Understanding the Koran. According to standard Islamic jurisprudence, Sharia Law today interprets the Koran as obligating Muslims to be under the rule of expansionist jihad (holy war). This is understood as an armed struggle against unbelievers, whether or not the Muslim community had been attacked. This is a country that has a history of 1,600 years of revolutions, political assassinations, and massacres, and has ruled it's populace by subjection or death. Today, Arab media often incite Arabs to street rage and violence by feeding misinformation. You will remember that the world witnessed Muslims dancing in the streets, celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center 9/11.

There is a difference, between being a judgmental person and being a person of rational judgment, that is worth remembering. If you choose to go, Saudi Arabia, be careful about how you conduct yourself. Right now, the long arm of the U.S. Embassy gives a sense of safety. However, there are things that you must do to protect yourself from embarrassment, from derision, from humiliation, from attack, and from arrest. Be prepared for unwelcome gazes and advances from the Saudi men while you are working in your uniform. They have been brought up to believe that a woman who does not cover herself is available for sex or is a prostitute. Never accept an invitation to accompany a Saudi man anywhere for the same reason. He has an expectation that you can be bought and because of his wealth may offer very expensive jewels and gifts. Outside of your unit, you will always be covered with a Burka. You will ride in the back of a bus, by Law. You will not get into a Taxi unaccompanied because you cannot be alone with a man. Men and women are separated even in the Marketplace. If you want to buy a cup of coffee in Starbucks, you will go to a segregated area for women. Is Saudi Arabia a good idea for you? Only you can decide.

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Thanks for the outline of working in Saudi. I like the point you make about the purpose that you're there, so if we all keep that in mind when working in a different environment, it'll make things much more bearable.

I am in contact w/ the Helen Ziegler agency currently and looking at a position in Riyadh. The income she quoted was 58k, which although it is tax-free, still seems a bit low all things considered. I also am a little intimidated by Riyadh, just based on other people's posts. I think a smaller city might be a better fit for me. Does anyone know of any agencies w/ positions in kidney/liver transplant inpatient units outside of Riyadh?

Specializes in LTC.

As far as nursing in Egypt, I would let all of you know the following: (I never did nursing in Egypt but I lived there for 4 years, 2 years in Cairo and 2 years in Luxor (Upper Egypt) in a village. There are basically 3 types of facilities: private hospitals for private paying patients (wealthy Egyptians and foreigners). There is no health insurance, so if you want to go to a private hospital you must be able to pay in full out of pocket. I was inside a private hospital in Ma'adi (a suburb of Cairo) and I can tell you that it was immaculate and neat as a pin and had all the modern equipment of the time (1980's). Then there are the government hospitals, which accept all patients. I was also in one of those. It was dimly lit and kind of grubby appearing. I went there trying to see if I could get a shot of epinephrine for asthma. The doctor met me at the door and proposed to inject me with a glass syringe. I asked him about autoclave facilities and he said their autoclave had been broken for some time. As you can imagine, I high-tailed it out of there without my shot. It turns out that you can buy syringes and epinephrine injectables from a pharmacy (pharmacists live inside the pharmacy and even if the gate is closed, they will open it at 3a.m. if you bang on it hard enough). That is the far safer route than any government hospital. The vast majority of Egyptian women give birth at home, for fear of infection in such hospitals. Then there are what I always thought of as "bush clinics" in very rural areas. I was in one of those for an asthma attack. As with government hospitals, no sheets, pillows or bedding are provided. Patients have to bring their own. Patient's families also have to bring food for the patient, as no food is served. The day I was in the bush clinic, a women had been accidentally electrocuted when she hung her wet wash on a low hanging line which turned out to be a main power line. (People tap electricity from main power lines and run it into their houses.) There were no drugs, medications, pain meds or anything else to help this poor lady. They simply laid her on a bed. She lay there unconscious but still breathing. Her situation had no changed when I left several hours later. I was cared for by a doctor who had gotten off the overnight train with me and she knew to send to the pharmacy for I.V. supplies and medicine. She stayed with me until I was able to go home on my own and refused any money from me. Point is: things are very different in Egypt from what we are used to in the U.S. and very different from what the Saudi royal family enjoys. I think that, probably, for foreign nurses ... the only place you could be employed is in the private hospitals. You could not be hired by govt hospitals unless you were an Egyptian nationale and rural clinics do not have a medical staff, per se.

Specializes in Post Cardiac Care/Telemetry, L&D.

I'm currently working in Jeddah, which is the more laid back sister city of Riyadh. The hospital is currently under construction/expansion, so I'm sure there are positions available in your specialty. I've been here for 2 months and like it. From what the other girls tell me, Jeddah is better to live in than Riyadh.

Specializes in ER, M/S, Hospice Home Care.

Hi Caligirl,

I'm a NY'r w/ 9yr experience interested in working in the Middle East. First, I like the ratio of 4 patients. Are there certain hospitals that you recommend. What agencies offer the best package? You mentioned that the salary is set by the hospital and not the agency, so can you explain how come I'm hearing that some staff nurses have much different salaries. For example, a nurse w/ 1 yr. experience having a higher salary than those experienced nurses. Have you worked in Dubai-would the salary be about the same? Thanks for your time and I hope you continue to enjoy this experience. I'm eager to get there, but I need the right info.

Specializes in Post Cardiac Care/Telemetry, L&D.

Hi New York

The nurses here are not paid by experience, the hospital sets one pay package for everyone, but if you work ICU,NICU, or PACU you'll make 2-3k more. However, the hospital pays according to your nationality/country of origin. Westeners/Americans make the most, followed by Australia and New Zealand,Canada, South Africa, and then Filipinos.

before I came, I checked out 2 agencies, both had the same rate. Now that I'm here, I've checked around and we all have the same rate according to nationality. Also, please be mindful that you are doing primary nursing so that 4:1 ratio is something special lol

The base salary is $51k, along with quarterly bonuses, living stipend, unit allowance, and completion bonus, will total $66,240.

HOWEVER, I learned when I arrived here, that as of June 2011, the hospitals will no longer pay for the cost of living stipend, which equals roughly $8k/per year. Also, units that were previously considered "specialty" units, are now classified as medical units, so the unit stipend has dropped sharply. In my opinion now, its not worth it to come here.

So basically, if you come now as a m/s, tele, peds, oncology, or operating room nurse, your pay will be $57k.

As for cities, all I can say is I purposely avoided Riyadh only because its very strict, whereas other cities like Qatar and Jeddah are more laid back.

Hope that helps!

P.S. If you message me, I can forward the salary breakdown as received from the agency to you via adobe

Specializes in ER, M/S, Hospice Home Care.

Thanks so much for this info.! It really helps. I still plan on going for atleast a yr., but I'm trying to get a nursing buddy, so I don't have to be down there alone. Can you email me the agency info. [email protected]

Specializes in ER, M/S, Hospice Home Care.

BTW, since hospitals set the salary, have you networked with other nurses to find out the higher paying hospitals? Thanks so much for your feedback. feel free to email me.

Specializes in Post Cardiac Care/Telemetry, L&D.

Hi Night nurse

I'm at King Faisal, which has a hospital in both Riyadh and Jeddah. the king gave 200 million to the hospital for renovation. Both of these are the largest and creme of the crop hospitals in Saudi Arabia. (The royal family is treated at the one in Riyadh). Having said that, all the other hospitals pay a much lower rate (National Guard Hosp, King Abdulliz, etc) So as for pay rates, this is the highest you will get.

For the person who asked, any hospital in the UAE in Abu Dhabi and Dubai generally pay about $20k less per year, and you have to pay part of your rent.

If you go to Riyadh, the apartment is shared between 2 people. If you go to Jeddah, you have your own studio apartment.

Lastly, you can go to the website for more info, and also to see pics of the housing, etc.

Good luck! You'll be just fine if you come alone. Trust me, whichever country you're from, your comrads will FIND you lol!

Specializes in ER, M/S, Hospice Home Care.

Hi Cali.

Can you email me the breakdown from your agency, that you said you have. [email protected] I'm NY'r who you wrote to earlier. Thanks so much for giving me the info. of the hospital b/c i did hear that he Royal hosp pay the highest. I appreciate all the info. you have given to me. Enjoy your time.

Not a chance in hell! Cannot have Bible or any religious articles. Women also cannot drive! Just yesterday they were given the right to vote but still cannot be elected to an office. Good money but it seems you will earn every penny as your dignity is also taken away!

really i'm so sad to see some bad words about my country from some of you guys. I'm studying here in USA and i love the people here, but i thought that all people here they know almost most of the cultures in the world becuase of diversity here. But when some body generalized bad things about our cultures that make me little angry of all people talking about us. Every country has it's culture. Just only i want to ask you all what if i say all American people are bad and lazy !!

Think about every word you will say before telling it for other people. If you work in Jeddah or Dammam you will not believe your self. It's more modern and organized better than some cities here in USA.No taxes and almost everything are cheaper than here in USA, even Laptops.

I hope every one will not talk bad about any country, and you can go and try that by your self then you will change your mind.