Practice intramuscular injection students on each other, Australia - page 4

Practice intramuscular injection with nurse students on each other is standard way how to teach/learn intramuscular injection in Europe - UK/Germany/Etc. Of course only with students agreement. ... Read More

  1. Visit  canned_bread profile page
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    Whilst at university, I asked why we didn't practice on each other. The reason given was the risk of transmission of blood borne viruses by poor practice, and also insurance. Insurance wise - if something went wrong, the university could be sued.
    We practised on a sponge that was COMPLETELY not like human skin in any way, shape or form.
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  3. Visit  mumlauf profile page
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    Thank you for your experience and for asking in advance. Yes, as I wrote before:

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    schools/universities leave this method because of liability reasons. The trend is that for schools/universities/teachers is simply easier to let students prick oranges, not IM to patients or even each other. This way it is safe. And students? They will learn later on patients without supervision or maybe with some help, who cares, they can always pay to insurance companies to protect them if some patient get injured, that is how the business works.
  4. Visit  Sifty profile page
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    I have done all my training in Australia. I started at TAFE doing my Diploma and am now at Uni doing my Degree. At neither place did we practise on each other in regards to injections.

    I for one would certainly not be keen for someone to practice on me. A lot of the students have no idea what they are doing and many did not end up continuing or passing. I also would not have been comfortable injecting someone just for the practice. I don't think that unnecessary puncturing of the skin and destruction of cells is something to be taken lightly. Also the equipment that we practise with has more often than not passed its expiry date.

    When we did inject actual patients we had an experienced nurse right beside us and most people watched this nurse perform the procedure first before trying it themselves. Also the patient always has the option to refuse or to ask for someone else if they are not comfortable.
  5. Visit  mumlauf profile page
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    Quote from Sifty
    I for one would certainly not be keen for someone to practice on me. A lot of the students have no idea what they are doing and many did not end up continuing or passing. I also would not have been comfortable injecting someone just for the practice. I don't think that unnecessary puncturing of the skin and destruction of cells is something to be taken lightly. Also the equipment that we practise with has more often than not passed its expiry date.

    When we did inject actual patients we had an experienced nurse right beside us and most people watched this nurse perform the procedure first before trying it themselves. Also the patient always has the option to refuse or to ask for someone else if they are not comfortable.
    Yes, voluntarism (option to refuse) is important and serious thing with this kind of practice. Especially if you are talking about conditions with expired equipment, which was definitely not in this case - everything was double checked, under supervision of two (or three) experienced nurses etc. Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
  6. Visit  Hagabel profile page
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    Mumlauf
    What are you hoping to gain from this thread.. I am a bit lost.
  7. Visit  mumlauf profile page
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    Main goal was to find somebody who have experience with students practice intramuscular injection on each other in Australia (the reason is more explained in my first few posts). I am glad for any sharing personal experience of nurse or student with teaching/learning/practice IM and so this thread is also about how the practice of intramuscular injection looks like in Australia.

    It is also about sharing experience that some students who were going to finish in few days nurse studies at TAFE were afraid (not confident or even scared) to give IM to patients because for some of them all their experience was pricking oranges.
    Last edit by mumlauf on Apr 1, '12
  8. Visit  biancah profile page
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    I know you are specifically looking for Australian practices but I completed my degree in New Zealand in 2001 and we practiced IMIs on each other. We used sterile water for injection and teeny 26g needles. It was quite intimidating initially as we didn't want to hurt each other but as our clinical tutors advised, patients are real people too. Of course this was all done in the simulated units with clinical tutors observing, it was a teaching session after all. We got the orange first but oranges lack muscle fiber. We never practiced deep IMIs. I am not sure if the students still do practice on each other. I realise it doesn't set a precedent for Australia but it's not like New Zealand is a third world education provider either.
  9. Visit  jambala profile page
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    it helps prepare nurses for similar scenarios..
  10. Visit  ceridwyn profile page
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    Since this thread was started, I asked around and one client of mine was a nurse in the 1940's and they practised on each other and apparently the educator sister was in deep trouble because of that practise then.

    This is the only example I have found in Australia so far.

    So on the premise of the original poster then, nurses in Australia from the 1940's have been poor im administrators of IMI who lacked confidence.
    Last edit by ceridwyn on Jul 4, '12
  11. Visit  mumlauf profile page
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    biancah thank you for sharing experience. From global view New Zealand experience is very close to what I need :-). I appreciate that.
  12. Visit  mumlauf profile page
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    ceridwyn thank you. May I know approximately how many people and with what relationship to nursing you asked?

    And I am sorry, but I don't understand why you wrote this:

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    So on the premise of the original poster then, nurses in Australia from the 1940's have been poor im administrators of IMI who lacked confidence.
    I have never written anything even close to this hypothesis. Only that practice IM on each other is under some circumstances good way to learn/teach IM and definitely better than pricking oranges - which can be first step I am not against at all.

    If you want quote what I wrote, please feel free to quote it. But don't make things up and make it look I wrote it, thank you.


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