Nursing license denied by California - page 4
I am starting this thread to find out if anyone has run into problems with the California Registered Nursing Board. If you have, could you please give me some advise as to what I should do. First I... Read More
Jul 27, '12If a Canadian citizen then there is the option of the NAFTA which allows you to work in the US as long as you have a employer this will include travel agencies however for most this is not an option.Regardless using an agency will not bypass any requirements like providing transcripts
Oct 21, '13AT superveronica, do you have any updates on your situation now. I am in a similar status as you... Canadian trained RN working in WA for 9 years and getting denied per endorsement and will need classes covered as well. If you have any input pls advise.. thanks
Oct 9, '14Hello as anyone else here I m international nurse and need to meet "minimum requirements to take only two subjects -classes : Pediatrics and OB " Only and its been a year since I'm contacting 30from the State of CA and nothing, all the same story like with anyone else here,They don't offer individual classes they have waiting list etc.
I HAVE POSSIBLE SOLUTION HERE FOR ALL OF US, WHY DON'T WE MADE PETITION PROGRAM AND ALL OF US INTERNATIONAL NURSES WHO NEED TO MEET MINIMUM REQ.TO TAKE NCLEX SIGN THE PETITOON AND SUBMIT TO THE BRN.,MAYBE IF FILL OUT /SIGN THE PAPER , FEW 100-1000 OF US SIGN THE PETITION ASKING THEM "BRN "STATE OF CA THAT THEY HAVE TO FORM AND ASIGN ONE SCHOOL WHO WILL HAVE TO GIVE US CLASSES THAT WE NEED,WE WILL PAY AS MUCH AS THEY WANT ,BUT JUST TO LET US STUDY AND PAY FOR THAT DAMN CLASSES " WHO IS FOR PETITION LET ME KNOW SO I CAN MAKE PETITION PAGE OR ANYONE FROM U GUYS HERE.PLEASE,PLEASE ,PLEASELast edit by ANDY2015 on Oct 9, '14 : Reason: typing mistake
Oct 9, '14Why should the BRN take notice of a signatures when the requirements have been part of the BRN for a few decades and only in recent years have been enforced.provide a service for full time classes and finding hospitals where clinicals can be done may be the driving force as to why it has been difficult to find just the courses required as many nursing schools have enough students to meet the demand set by the hospital
Oct 9, '14Quote from ANDY2015It's been tried before in 2012, not sure where it went, but guessing probably nowhere. Actually, my last source of information has pegged the stranded and frustrated nurses just from the Phillipines alone has now at this point exceeded well over 10,000 applicants (and probably several hundred's who didn't bother to apply in CA for reasons of knowing there's a 99.7% of getting denied and why waste the money).Hello as anyone else here I m international nurse and need to meet "minimum requirements to take only two subjects -classes : Pediatrics and OB " Only and its been a year since I'm contacting 30 schools from the State of CA and nothing, all the same story like with anyone else here,They don't offer individual classes they have waiting list etc.
I HAVE POSSIBLE SOLUTION HERE FOR ALL OF US, WHY DON'T WE MADE PETITION PROGRAM AND ALL OF US INTERNATIONAL NURSES WHO NEED TO MEET MINIMUM REQ.TO TAKE NCLEX SIGN THE PETITOON AND SUBMIT TO THE BRN.,MAYBE IF FILL OUT /SIGN THE PAPER , FEW 100-1000 OF US SIGN THE PETITION ASKING THEM "BRN "STATE OF CA THAT THEY HAVE TO FORM AND ASIGN ONE SCHOOL WHO WILL HAVE TO GIVE US CLASSES THAT WE NEED,WE WILL PAY AS MUCH AS THEY WANT ,BUT JUST TO LET US STUDY AND PAY FOR THAT DAMN CLASSES " WHO IS FOR PETITION LET ME KNOW SO I CAN MAKE PETITION PAGE OR ANYONE FROM U GUYS HERE.PLEASE,PLEASE ,PLEASE
I was asked to make such a petition page over a year ago but declined.
With the oversupply of CA local grads still unable to find their first nursing job within 18 months of their graduation at the 48% or higher unemployment of these new grads and more and more incoming CA students flooding into the market place and with limited hospital and even LTC and SNF job slots (despite the want ads that say differently but still very questionable in the actual needs), there's very little incentive for the CA BRN to budge from going forward to increase the schools.
However, don't forget, it's not a CA BRN issue at all, rather you need to direct your attention to the actual CA schools, as they are the ones who are offering the needed courses.
But then, one must realize that these same CA schools are NOT going to do what has impacted the schools in the PH and that is to pack the schools like cattle and have them all do their clinicals all together. That's why the CA schools (and the other 49 states) LIMIT their class student sizes.
In the states, it's one-on-one, one nurse per student, who shadows the preceptor from the time they walk thru the door to the time they go home. This also partly why there's a 80-85% first-time NCLEX-RN passing rate of US educated nurses vs the international nurses with the very low 30-35% rate.
Also, don't forget a couple of very important thing about the clinicals: (A). there are only so many qualified nurses that are preceptors and this is one is the most important: (B). there are only so many hospitals that will allow a student nurse inside the hospital floors and room (with a patient), without being disruptive to the patient's own needs and recovery and privacy, unlike how we do things in the Phils.
By the way, this same subject (petition writing) you mention comes up at least once a year since the Nov. 2011 strict enforcement date. But really, we should consider that the CA BRN and other states even allows such a re-make, re-take or whatever retakes you want to call it. They don't have to make the exception at all. The BON's could have simply said "go back to your country's original BSN degree source and re-do the deficiencies there", period.
But you're a US citizen or dual citizen, doesn't matter, the fact, one obtained their degree outside of the US borders, you didn't contribute to the state's teachers salary to the financial assistance to a CA hospital to a CA school or college funding to help keep its doors and programs open and available.
Many took the cheapest way out and in the long run, it's costing them dearly. Many couldn't get enrolled due to the limited spaces or didn't qualify due to their grades.
Not sure what country you obtained your BSN in, but for most of us, telling the CHED, PRC and PNA to get their #X^$ together so they can comply with the CA BRN rules and regulations that's been in existence in writing since 1987! Yes, during the perceived era of the so called "nursing shortage", I now have no doubt the CA BRN lets those rules slide so that the CA hospitals could keep up with the new mandated ratios back then.
But with more and more US educated nurses coming on-line every 6 months, there's really little to no demand for foreign nurses any more.
So going back to your petition thoughts, you will need to find out how you plan to get these schools to increase their nursing budgets that's already been cut to the bare minimum, find out how you can get more and pay for more qualified nursing preceptors, find the millions of dollars to give to each hospital so that they can accommodate those needing just to do their clinicals, without having to get in from of the line of the already enrolled and higher paying CA students. This is WHY I declined against a petition signing, there's simply zero dollars that's going to take tens of $1,000,000 to solve.
You might get all 10,000 plus and add in those students and nurses from other countries involved as well (India, UK, Russia, Canada, China), now you're up to 20-40,000 plus signatures and turn it over to the CA state governor and even to Obama, but until one can solve the funding sources AND the increased for qualified preceptors, it's all paperwork.
You can "thank" the CHED, PRC and PNA for doing a great job!Last edit by steppybay on Oct 9, '14 : Reason: ++ info
Oct 9, '14On the other hand, there have been several successful students/nurses (from the Phils in these cases) whereby they did get lucky and found a CA school, completed the deficiencies, passed the NCLEX and of those, a couple have reported finding a nursing job (they make up the other 0.03% of the 97.7% being rejected).
Yes, most of the CA schools have 1-2-3-4 years of a waiting list, some of the schools up-front tuition gets up to the $14,000 plus mark, but they are there. If you read thru this forum, you'll get the names and location and some disclose the co$t, it's all public information.
Some have gone out of state (with the approval of your CA BRN evaluator) to get their files completed of which one has three (3) years from the initial application filing date to complete any of the deficiencies or else, the file will be considered "abandoned".Last edit by steppybay on Oct 9, '14 : Reason: ++ info
Nov 29, '17I am not the original poster, but I went through the exact same situation when my significant other took a job in California. (Canadian RN with licenses in other US states and was denied by California for OB and Peds)
I didn't want to do the classes in Canada or another state for fear of being denied again by California. So I contacted every school on that list that the BRN sends you, and after much frustration, got into a school to complete those two classes. The classes were exactly the same as the classes I did in Canada....but in the end you just need to complete them. So, @Aziafch it is doable
Dec 3, '17Thanks @westcoastlife. I am noticing here that a lot of Filipino RNs have to show record of clinical cases (5 major/5 minor/5 deliveries/5 assisted deliveries/ 5 cord dressings). I also note that this is not a requirement of the schools listed on the California Board of Nursing website. Are they simply asking for these cases because they want proof that they were concurrent with their theory courses as indicated on their transcripts? Would they ask this of an RN educated in Canada, where this is not a requirement for graduation per our boards of nursing? I was lucky enough to be a part of a few deliveries, but I know that RNs in Canada and the US have "clinical shifts" in Maternity Wards etc. It does not always guarantee that we will have actually delivered lol. In my maternity rotation I mostly cared for women in active labour and some post labour. We did cord care but we did not have specific "cases" that were kept by the school.
Dec 3, '17They require a copy of your transcript and an additional form that just breaks down your lecture, lab and clinical hours. It is all based on hours breakdown that the school submits to them not how many deliveries you have done. Plus in Canada or the US, you would never do a delivery yourself.