LPN Private Schools? - page 7
Can someone please tell me all the private LPN schools in the Chicagoland area? I don't want to wait a few years on a waiting list. PCCTI American Institute J'Renee Facility Northwestern Institute of Health... Read More
- 0Oct 21, '10 by sgthanzo@CHRIS NS - Good observation. They're probably still working on their first NCLEX-PN passers as they're a newly approved LPN school.
BTW, I've seen a ton of posts here about accreditation and what not... Here's the gist of what I know... 'hopefully it makes for a good reading as it is rather long. Hahaha.
NLNAC is an accreditation generally sought after by RN/BSN programs. It is very seldom (I've not seen one at least) to see an LPN school get this type of accreditation as it's usually "earned" by associate-degree granting programs and higher.
NCA-CASI (or AdvancED as they're now called) is the accreditation standard for post-secondary (private and non-private) institutions. It is GLOBAL with more than 27,000 schools accredited.
NCA-CASI is also the accreditation of choice for LPN-approved schools.
Someone here correct me if I'm wrong... Last I heard, NCA-CASI accredited schools (like Americare, COD, NWIHT, Oakton College, DeVry (Chamberlain?) Harper, etc) have an 82% PLACEMENT RATE nationwide compared to like... 40% some odd for non NCA-accredited schools.
ISBE (or Illinois State Board of Education) is NOT an accrediting body -- it is an APPROVING body.
Likewise, IDFPR (or IL Dept of Financial and Professional Regulations) is NOT an accrediting body -- it is an APPROVING body.
For a school to "legally" operate as an LPN training institution, three things need to occur. 1) The school's curriculum MUST get approval from ISBE , 2) The school's feasibility and curriculum MUST get approval from IDFPR, Board of Nursing. They're the last say on who gets to offer what Nursing program in Illinois, and 3) The School must get at least one accreditation from a State-approved accrediting body like NCA-CASI (AdvancED).
The reason for this rigorous approval process is only for one thing -- to ensure public safety in the hands of newly minted Nurses.
The above being said, it is NOT only wise to choose a school that has all three, but also the right approach.
I hope I didn't overload you all with these information. I get too passionate when discussing school stuff. Hahaha!
hattori hanzoLast edit by sgthanzo on Oct 21, '10
- 0Oct 21, '10 by Chris NShow hard is the "TABE" test that they give for the entrance to the LPN(when i called them for aboout the LPN program they told me it was a walk in the park )( i just hope that it is) dose anyone actually know or have taken it if so can you tell me and or everyone that would find that helpful
- 2@chris - tabe (or test of adult basic education) is simple enough. however, it is not uncommon to see inquiring candidates fail this test. only way to make sure you pass is to study for it before you take the test. your local library should have a tabe reviewer in their collection of books. you can also get a used tabe reviewer from ebay or from amazon.
@smokey - i know of no one who compiles the approvals and accreditations that each "approved" lpn school has. as a rule of thumb though, an idfpr-approved lpn school will always have a corresponding isbe approval.
click here to see the list of all idfpr-approved nursing schools and their programs.
more on accreditations
on nca-casi -- click here to search for nca-casi (advanced) accredited schools. in the search box, type the school name like cmk, americare, pccti or northwestern institute. if an lpn school is or has been accredited before, you'll find them there. also pay very close attention to accreditation expiration dates. a good lpn school will maintain their accreditation status by allowing themselves to be visited/audited by the accrediting agency.
on nlnac -- there are only six illinois lpn-approved schools that has this accreditation to-date. feel free to visit their site by clicking this link. make sure you match the nlnac-accredited school's nclex-pn passing-rate to get a good gauge of their overall performance.
nclex-pn passing rate -- an lpn school that maintains a consistent passing score for two consecutive years probably means they know what they're doing to help you become a licensed nurse. with 3-years consecutive passing rates, a program has probably matured and stabilized. with 3-consecutive years of high passing rates (85% and above) and continuous accreditation, their program is probably being ran by highly trained and highly experienced (rn-msns) director and instructors.
my advice... don't settle for anything less than exemplary as your career and the public's safety depends on the well trained and licensed nurse.
hattori hanzoLast edit by sgthanzo on Oct 22, '10
- 0Oct 22, '10 by rachelle0117
actually, i created a table that will help me evaluate the different private lpn programs as listed in the board of nursing website.
i want to be able to compare them side-by-side.
i’d appreciate any input from anyone who has visited any of these programs. i want to be objective and factual as i arrive at my conclusion. please rate them on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the highest).
feel free to suggest if i need to add more columns on my table (see below).
- 0Hello Rachelle:
This is going to be a little bit long so please hang with me...
Looking into your survey components, I can't help but conclude that the answers you might get may not yield the right school you're looking for.
Here are the reasons why:
1. NCLEX Passing Rate - A (1) year NCLEX pass rate will NOT yield a true performance metric. New schools' pass rates swing quite a bit during the first 2-3 years of operation. As such, a high pass rate on year 1 may not necessarily be true for year 2 -- and vice versa.
A better metric (in my opinion) is to look for consistency (not necessarily high scores). If a school consistently scores above 80% for 2-3 years while it steadily increases enrollment (look for the "completed" column from the NCLEX pass rate in one of my posts), then it's probably safe to say that they have a pretty good process in place in helping the student pass the NCLEX -- and as such, should be graded highly.
2. Deposit Requirement -- Are you looking for who has the most affordable program to start a program? Some schools charge by Semester (which can include 3 or more classes) and some charge by course. Naturally, a school that charges by course will most certainly have a lower deposit requirement.
Also, some schools charge a small fee to enter, but they hit you with bigger fees as you progress into each course component.
A better metric to gauge affordability (again, in my opinon) is to break-down your cost to "Dollars per contact hour." You can do this by dividing the total tuition by the number of total contact hours. For example: If X school's overall tuition is $20,000 and their program's Total contact hours is 900, your tuition rate PER contact hour would be $22.22 (20000/900).
Do this computation to all your candidate schools and you'll derive which one is the most affordable (barring all of their tuition components are the same).
On average, an LPN school will charge between 25% - 50% down per course or per semester. You can then take your Per-Contact hour number ($22.22), multiply it by the number of contact-hours per course (say 75 contact hrs for Basic Nursing1) or per semester, and take 25% or 50% of that to derive your 'Deposit Requirement' per candidate school. For the example above, ($22.22 x 75contacts) / 50% wil equal $833.25 downpayment per course. If a school charges per semester (and a semester generally has 3 classes), your estimated downpayment per semester would be $833.25 x 3 or $2500 (rounded).
BTW, a good LPN school will already break this down for you so you don't need to mush your brains with the computations.
3. Pell Grant and Stafford loans -- are just a few of the MANY financial student aid options that can be made available to qualified students. You will be eliminating quite a good few of them (such as WIA, GI Bill, Dept of HR grants, other grants and scholarships) if you just settle on these two.
A better metric would be to see how much you're making and ask your candidate school "Based on my financial situation, what financial student aid remedy can I benefit from?" A good LPN school won't corner you into just one financial aid package (like taking out a direct loan,etc). Rather, they will let you know, based on your ability to generate income, on which ones you may qualify for... You can then decide the right (not the best) financial plan for you.
4. Morning/Evening programs -- are you looking for the quality of their morning/evening sessions or just the availability of said services?
A better metric would be to ask yourself, "do I want to go to work while going to school? If so, do I want to work day or night? From there.. you can then limit to whichever candidate school offers the classes (time/day/locations) you're looking for.
5. Accredited -- If a school is not accredited, does it get a zero? It may be unfair to new schools, specially if they're close to getting accredited (accreditation takes time).
A better metric would be to ask the institution if they're accredited... If they are, for how long? Accreditation longevity generally means a more stable school as these schools have taken the path that'll allow them to 'improve' on a year to year basis. If they're not accredited, then ask when are they getting accredited? Or have they applied for accreditation? A "no" answer to both should be a warning to you to drop them from your list -- as Accreditations are the school's ticket to many educational services like Federal Student Aids, School Articulations, degree-granting programs, etc.
6. Potential for RN -- There's a cardinal rule in the Nursing Education community that unless a School has been approved by the Board of Nursing, it IS NOT approved, period -- Hence, it cannot advertise or even mention in the slightest sense that they're about to offer an RN program. LPN-Approved schools can get into trouble if they advertise to potential students (from a marketing perspective), that they're applying for an RN program. Even then... the time/effort it takes to go through an IDFPR approval is quite time-consuming (may take a year or more from time of submission, to time to offer).
A better metric would be to ask an LPN school if they've "articulated" with an RN-school so you can "bridge" your PN to RN if/when you choose to. A good LPN school will already have one or more articulation with a higher learning institution in place long before you set your foot in the door.
Last but not least, one of the most over-looked components of a good LPN school is the way they treat the prospective student. Your 'gut feel' will tell you this when you sit down face-to-face with a candidate school's representative(s).
Watch for things like... "Is this person doing way too much selling? Or does the program sells itself based on historical performance?" A good LPN school will treat you like a 'partner' instead of just another student whom they need to enroll so they can reach their daily/weekly quota. You'll know that a school is trying to partner with you when they're giving you "options" than telling you "this is the way it is."
I hope I did not end up discouraging you by the volume of materials above. Choosing the "right" Nursing school is not an easy task. However, there's nothing that a 'committed' heart or mind cannot do. If your heart and mind are set dead on to becoming a nurse, the things above will all fall into their respective places as you do and complete your research.
Keep asking questions until you have the answers you're looking. Remember, the only dum questions are questions that are never asked.
Keep on it and more power to you.
hattori hanzoLast edit by sgthanzo on Oct 22, '10
- 0Oct 23, '10 by SMOKEY2112Thanks for posting that Rachelle! That's a such a great idea! I'm going to do the same and then make adjustments according to some of the ideas that Hattori suggested. Thanks also to you too Hattori! You are seriously a wealth of information and have helped me tremendously in this short time with trying to decide on a school!