Island Fever - page 4

Anyone else wanna comment on island fever? Wanna share your thoughts, perspective, etc? - Lisa ;-) For those of you on the mainland, who are thinking about moving here, here's a post for... Read More

  1. Visit  uscgtrucker profile page
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    Lisa

    looks like I'll be taking my puter to bed with me for some late night reading lol, mahol nui loa for your help
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  3. Visit  Lisa From Maui profile page
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    uscg:
    you're welcome. and thanks for understanding. the people who live here get the same questions over - and over - and over - and over again. i get tired of answering the same qs. i'm sure other posters do too.

    city-data.com click visit forum click hawai'i also has some great info (for those of you who don't already know about that website)

    one other thought... do you want to be stuck as a cna? if you move to the big island, can you do nursing school there? i know you can get your rn and bsn on oahu & maui. i don't know if you can take rn classes on bi.

    if it was me, i would get my rn and bsn on the mainland, work for 2 years as an rn, completely pay off my student loans, and then move to hawai'i. in the year 2015 or later. -- lisa ;-)
  4. Visit  uscgtrucker profile page
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    I totally understand where your coming from on the answering questions, I actually did read through some of the posts but at the time didnt have time to read through all of them before I posted my question. As for being "stuck" as a cna I dont really see it as that. I love what I'm doing, the reason I wont go any farther is I have this thing with sticking people with needles. I know, sounds kinda dumb, but its just something I cant do. I can clean up bodily excretions all day long but giving a shot or drawing blow or anything else that involves a needle makes me sick. I can administer insulin however but thats only cuz i cant actually see the needle on the unit we use lol.
  5. Visit  uscgtrucker profile page
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    Lisa, Windward and everyone else who has posted here I'd like to give you all kudos. Thanks for your bluntness in some of your posts, sometimes the best aloha is the tough kind. Windward I particularly found your post on the charactaristics needed to live on island very helpful and while I consider myself to have most if not all of those I dont think I can say the same for my wife (or the 2 kids we'd be bringing with) so I'm afraid that soon after she was fob she would want to be bob (back on boat) lol. Also thanks for all the links, theyve been VERY helpful. I had contemplated subscribing to the local papers but wasnt sure if it was actually possible to have them shipped off island or not. Definately will be persuing that option asap. Lisa thankyou for sharing your moment of emotion with everyone, my wife has never been the materialistic type but I could so see my her in that story as she does have a few things that would either have to be sold or left behind that she recieved from relatives that are no long with us that would certainly cause that kind of reaction eventually. Even tho I havent been back in almost 40 years I still love the islands and will always consider them home but I think in the best interest of my wifes sanity and not having Hawaii become something we (see she) regret its probably best that "we" stay on the mainland and get our Hawaii where we can (ie polynesian festivals, hula classes, internet radio and some day an actual trip home). Mahalo nui loa again for all your posts and Lisa in particular for your patience in dealing with another mainlander asking the same old tired questions. Malama pono and maybe someday soon we can make it there and we can buy a round of drinks and thank you all personally.

    Aloha
    Last edit by uscgtrucker on Dec 31, '09
  6. Visit  Lisa From Maui profile page
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    Awwww... shucks! Ya' made me blush!

    Glad I could help. Glad we could help. Glad you see that "tough aloha" can be the best aloha. Happy you took time to read, listen & believe. Take care of your family. :kiss That's a non-romantic kiss on the cheek. They do that here on the islands. -- Lisa ;-)
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    yay me i made someone blush hehe oh yeah, if theres one thing i DO know its tough aloha, we have 5 kids and have to dish that out from time to time. i knew that about the kisses, my kumu hula taught us that at our first class. shoulda seen the look on the wifes face when a total stranger kissed me on the cheek :kiss
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    While driving (or should I say sitting) on the 405 fwy(Los Angeles) I looked up to see a bill board that read "Hawaii-changes your priorities in life." My next trip was a one way. I have been told,by more than one person, the islands either embraces you or rejects you. The high price of this and that is there to keep most away which I don't mind. And BTW-I no longer look to bill boards for life advice-they are against the law to be up here!

    So you can keep your reasonalably priced whatevahs and never know the taste of a fresh mango or the intense blue of the water reflect on the eye where it hits your insides with a rush....yes, keep your resonably priced gas to sit on the fwy to read bill boards.
  9. Visit  jessnurse2007 profile page
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    Dear Lisa,
    Thank you for emailing back! It seems when I read all these threads that Hawaii to many people is paradise and thats what they expect everyday to be there. Like a happy ending destination? I know Hawaii is just another state but I swear being there on vacation was one of the happiest times the beauty of every island made me wana cry every time I had to leave!! Im not looking for a place to make me happy I love my job and I love being a nurse no matter where I am. I think what i am looking for out of this is to be able to say that I did it, like a thing to do before you die. Does that make sense? Id probably be one of the only people on the beach applying sunscreen every 20 minutes but such is life! I would miss my family back home but how much would I regret never taking this chance when I get it? You seem to be the person to go to about Hawaii here, which island seems to have the best hospitals plus living situation or is such an island non existant? Thank you for all your help!!! Aloha!!1
  10. Visit  LetUrLightShineRN profile page
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    Quote from lisa from maui
    koi, thank you for the post!
    for those of you not good at math... 640 sq feet... put another way... that's 20 feet x 32 feet.
    depending on your credit and down payment, if you bought it for $ 260,000 your mortgage payment could be $1500 to $2200 per month. i'm guessing it's a condo. let's not forget an association fee. that could be $200 - $500 per month, on top of your mortgage.


    dear mainlanders,
    if you have the money to vacation here once a year, and to see hawai'i as paradise, relaxing, calm, soothing...
    if hawai'i could be an escape for you... why on earth would you want to live here?


    by the way, as people are reading these posts, if you like what someone wrote (me or anyone else), please click kudos and thank that person. mahalo!


    i wasn't surprised in the least to see this thread was filled with warnings to the mainlanders about the pitfalls and enormous obstacles of relocating, living, and working in hawaii. the thinly veiled attempts to discourage others from moving there by people who moved there less than a year prior is funny.
    i think that maybe you don't really want people to move in on your turf, and that you're not really too concerned with what their hopes and dreams are. i would never let an anonymous poster on a message board influence my reality.
    if it's so bad lisa, why did you move there and why don't you move back to the mainland? lol.
  11. Visit  WindwardOahuRN profile page
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    >>I wasn't surprised in the least to see this thread was filled with warnings to the mainlanders about the pitfalls and enormous obstacles of relocating, living, and working in Hawaii. The thinly veiled attempts to discourage others from moving there by people who moved there less than a year prior is funny.<<

    People take the time to present the less-than-lovely facts on this forum. If others are discouraged then so be it. Nothing is "thinly veiled"---it's all right out there in the open and if people find those truths uninviting then it's the truths that are discouraging, not the messengers.
    I've lived and worked here over ten years now. I don't sugarcoat anything to make it more palatable to those who come here seeking information. If they hear what they don't want to hear and are upset by it then let them be upset. But I don't do it to "discourage" anyone from coming here. I've said it more than once when confronted by accusatory posts and I'll say it again now.
    Here goes: Come on over. If you truly want to give it a fling then go ahead. There are no "enormous obstacles" that can't be overcome with planning and, most importantly, MONEY. The worst that can happen is that you decide that life in Hawaii is not for you. No big deal, head on back to the mainland---people do it every day. It may work out for you and that's fine too. But don't delude yourself into believing that the presenting of facts that don't mesh with your preconceived notions of Hawaii are merely attempts to "protect turf."
    Truth? I have a good life here and am not threatened by anyone's arrival and feel no need to dissuade "competition" from coming to Hawaii. I came with solid experience, job offers from every hospital to which I applied and interviewed, a supportive spouse, and financial security. Kids were grown so no issues with the lousy schools here. We bought a home when the prices were half what they are now. Yay for us.
    Truth? The average length of time that professionals (not beach bums or starry eyed romantics) stay here after moving from the mainland is two years. Two years---the honeymoon is over by then, the warts are glaringly apparent, and it's adios and aloha. The Honolulu Airport should put one big revolving door at its entrance.
    Many factors contribute to that revolving door phenomenon. Many of those factors have been discussed here. Funny how the only people who seem to dispute what's being discussed are people who don't even live here.
    So, again, you're welcome to my "turf." If you stay, fine. If you go back to the mainland after a while, fine too. It's not like it would be anything unusual, either way.
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    Quote from WindwardOahuRN
    >>I wasn't surprised in the least to see this thread was filled with warnings to the mainlanders about the pitfalls and enormous obstacles of relocating, living, and working in Hawaii. The thinly veiled attempts to discourage others from moving there by people who moved there less than a year prior is funny.<<

    People take the time to present the less-than-lovely facts on this forum. If others are discouraged then so be it. Nothing is "thinly veiled"---it's all right out there in the open and if people find those truths uninviting then it's the truths that are discouraging, not the messengers.
    I've lived and worked here over ten years now. I don't sugarcoat anything to make it more palatable to those who come here seeking information. If they hear what they don't want to hear and are upset by it then let them be upset. But I don't do it to "discourage" anyone from coming here. I've said it more than once when confronted by accusatory posts and I'll say it again now.
    Here goes: Come on over. If you truly want to give it a fling then go ahead. There are no "enormous obstacles" that can't be overcome with planning and, most importantly, MONEY. The worst that can happen is that you decide that life in Hawaii is not for you. No big deal, head on back to the mainland---people do it every day. It may work out for you and that's fine too. But don't delude yourself into believing that the presenting of facts that don't mesh with your preconceived notions of Hawaii are merely attempts to "protect turf."
    Truth? I have a good life here and am not threatened by anyone's arrival and feel no need to dissuade "competition" from coming to Hawaii. I came with solid experience, job offers from every hospital to which I applied and interviewed, a supportive spouse, and financial security. Kids were grown so no issues with the lousy schools here. We bought a home when the prices were half what they are now. Yay for us.
    Truth? The average length of time that professionals (not beach bums or starry eyed romantics) stay here after moving from the mainland is two years. Two years---the honeymoon is over by then, the warts are glaringly apparent, and it's adios and aloha. The Honolulu Airport should put one big revolving door at its entrance.
    Many factors contribute to that revolving door phenomenon. Many of those factors have been discussed here. Funny how the only people who seem to dispute what's being discussed are people who don't even live here.
    So, again, you're welcome to my "turf." If you stay, fine. If you go back to the mainland after a while, fine too. It's not like it would be anything unusual, either way.
    Well, that's fair. You are being honest. I respect that. But I must admit you don't exactly extend a warm welcome with your words and neither does Lisa from Maui or a lot of other posters. I guess I don't really understand what is wrong with moving somewhere for only a short time (2 years) I have always said I'd like to live in NYC but could only really see myself doing that for a couple of years max. I've said I'd like to live abroad, but I think I would eventually move back to the states. I've said I'd like to live in a climate that is more favorable to wearing shorts and flip flops than Seattle ( Maui or San Diego) But I might only do it for a couple of years before I became homesick for the beautiful Mountains of Washington, or I might decide to live in Colorado, or Virginia....The point is why would someone living in Hawaii CARE if people move there and leave unless they're at least a little bit uncomfortable with outsiders moving in on their turf? Your statements suggest that people come with the absolute goal of remaining there for life and then they crack under the pressure of island fever or sky high grocery bills, or unemployment rates, whatever. Maybe they never intended to stay for life. What business is it of you or me or anyone else? It just seems a little bitter. If I'm wrong I apologize but that is how it comes across.
  13. Visit  WindwardOahuRN profile page
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    >>The point is why would someone living in Hawaii CARE if people move there and leave unless they're at least a little bit uncomfortable with outsiders moving in on their turf? Your statements suggest that people come with the absolute goal of remaining there for life and then they crack under the pressure of island fever or sky high grocery bills, or unemployment rates, whatever. Maybe they never intended to stay for life. What business is it of you or me or anyone else? It just seems a little bitter. If I'm wrong I apologize but that is how it comes across.<<

    I honestly don't give a flying fajita who moves here or why they move here. I don't think of Hawaii as "my turf" and feel absolutely no need to be a protective gatekeeper. The 60X100 plot of land I own with the cute little ranch house on it is my turf and my dog does a wonderful job of protecting it.
    I also don't care if their intention is to stay two years, five years, or forever. I only know what I have seen in the last ten years. Yes, I've seen people (couples, usually) who come here with the plan of just staying here for two or three years. Those are what I call the "Hawaii Adventure" people. They live here for a short time, spend all their disposable income on parasailing, surfing lessons, inter-island trips, scuba equipment and certification, etc, and leave here penniless. They never intended it to be any other way and that's just fine. It works for them and more power to them. They are honest with themselves from the beginning and they suffer no delusions.
    But many people, IME, come here with expectations that are totally out of synch with reality. They have convinced themselves that they can put up with anything as long as they are in Hawaii. Wow---livin' the dream! Most of them declare their undying love for all that is Hawaii and vow never to leave. At least, in the beginning.
    And sorry, Trucker---they DO crack under the pressures here. I can't tell you how many times I have seen them do the slow crumble. If I hear "do you know what I could get for $750K back in (fill in the name of just about any state on the mainland)??" one more time I think I'll scream. "My son was doing this math back in (fill in the name of just about any state on the mainland) two years ago---the schools stink here." It just goes on and on.
    So yeah, they leave.
    When you consider the fact that the average stay is two years, can you enlighten me as to why I would even bother discouraging newcomers? LOL---they figure it out all by themselves, most times. They are simply no threat to me or mine.
    I'll continue to tell it like it is and if some choose to misinterpret than I guess there's nothing I can do about that.
    Aloha!
  14. Visit  Lisa From Maui profile page
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    jessicadawn, if you want to know why we moved here in the first place, read my previous posts. if you want to know why we don’t move back to the mainland this week, read my previous posts. i’ve answered all of that already.

    jessicadawn, if you don’t understand why we talk like we do, this might help clarify… very important point: everyone sees hawai’i as paradise. “i vacationed there, it was paradise, i want to live in paradise.” that’s their main thought.

    let’s say that you, jessicadawn, were an experienced (female) actor. you went home for thanksgiving, and a 16 y.o. girl who lives down the street, visits you and says, “i want to move to hollywood and make it as an actor!” all that she sees is the glamour. you sit her down, and talk to her about all the downfalls of hollywood. every year, 1000 people arrive, and maybe 1 in 1000 get any paid work as a (female) actor. the rest are working as waitresses, etc. divorce is common in hollywood; and it will be in the pages of people magazine for a million people to read. you’re being followed all the time by cameras; if you want to go to the supermarket wearing grungy old clothes, and no make-up, just to buy milk, someone is gonna take your picture and sell it to a magazine for $ 10,000.

    she looks at you and says, “i think that maybe you don't really want people to move in on your [hollywood] turf, and that you're not really too concerned with what their hopes and dreams are.”

    or, you might be an experienced model. and your neighbor wants to be a model. so you sit down and tell her, “it looks glamorous, but some major problems go along with the glamour. many models are anorexic or bulemic b/c the magazines want you to be a size four. size six is just too fat, so they starve themselves to get work. watch the movie the devil wears prada. as far as the ones who do make it as models, they can easily get into drugs. many of them become addicts, and spend all the $$ they earn on getting high. if they cry out for help, they often don’t get it. watch the movie gia, starring a. jolie. it’s not all beauty. there are a lot of pitfalls and downsides. know about it before you move there. ”

    she looks at you and says, “they crack under the pressure… from whatever… you just seems bitter.”

    uscg trucker, your 16 y.o. neighbor, he also wants to go to hollywood to be an actor. you talk to him, and he says, "mahalo nui loa again for all your [talking to me]. [thank you] for your patience in dealing with another [person] asking the same old tired questions."

    so, what do you, the experienced actor or model, what do you do? you decide to stop talking to the people who don't listen.

    does that help to give you clarity? does that help you to understand?
    ( for me, red is not anger. it's to help words stand out. )

    and now i'll talk about myself. it doesn't matter if the mainlander is 16, 26, 36 or 46. some people listen, some people don't. some people appreciate my perspective, some people don't.

    i don't write my posts for people who think i'm complaining, venting, jaded, bitter, and wonder why, "if you're so unhappy, why haven't you moved?" i write my posts and i share my story for people who thank me for my perspective. like uscg trucker. who thank me for my honestly, and for telling them like it is. my guess is that windward oahu rn, slobgob and others write for the same reasons. if mainland nurses can't get honesty here, from other nurses, where are they gonna go?

    thank you to the people who created and maintain the allnurses website. this site has helped me alot.

    lisa ;-)


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