They didn't make it :( - page 4

I'm just getting the bad news from some of my friends who found out on late on Friday that they're being withdrawn from the program. The nursing dept dropped a surprise math exam on all of us at the... Read More

  1. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    i read & took your original post as wanting some support for your classmates for a math calculation quiz they failed in which ultimately resulted in their program dismissal. i only addressed what i saw might have been the problem for them. i gave some suggestions/advice cuz it seemed you were asking. i'm sorry that my responses were taken out of context as me looking down on you...i wasn't. i was summing-up what i thought was your point (looking for sympathy & agreement for your friends) & then commented on it. my responses were sympatric but i felt i had to drive home the importance of why your institution did what they did. if you took them, my comments that is, as being aloof or uncaring...i do apologize as that wasn't my intention. i rather understand more now that you've said you're in a bsn program. that only reinforce what i've been saying all along! uni have certain standards/criteria that have to be met by students...many criteria various between institutions...but whatever standards each one unfolds...must be met by all or they're in danger of loosing their accreditation.

    and by no means am i perfect...i can assure you on that. i'm just trying to point-out why your uni is being so strict is all. if you re-read my second post....i specially state that if you all were quizzed on materials not previously covered, properly reviewed, or that goes way off the mark in terms of math calculations, then your friends may stand a chance at an appeal with the dept chair or school dean.

    i know first hand how political some uni can be & how some folks can commit the worse offenses & nothing happens while others commit what seem like small infractions & they're nailed to the cross. i also have nearly eight years in the army reserves as a non-commissioned officer (the three years as a ncoic of the icu section, supervising others) & will tell you people are given extra duties/assignments/task all the time that require brushing-up or reviewing basic skills. now some perform said skill to standard without hesitation cuz they prepared themselves...while others did the very minimum preparation & it showed in their performances and/or presentation (everyone has to teach a class or two as part of their training). ditto in regards to my civilian nursing position...it's my observation that it's often the ones who do the minimum preparation who are/get burned in the end.

    for me...it initially sounded as if your friends were not prepared & got caught off guard from it. i just had a hard time understanding the circumstances around their failure...since this was their third quiz. most institution will allow for one failure in a math calculation course with one to two make-up quizzes. i just infer that this last was their third make-up chance & they still failed....correct me if i'm wrong...but that's what i got from you first post. no way am i agreeing with your schools decision nor am i against your friends...and am i'm saying that they didn't study their math calculation enough. i'm just giving some advice based on what i inferred from your original post. it may not be what you wanted to read/hear...but it was meant to be positive...not a put-down. i think what you have to do is look at the message & not be so defensive...o.k.

    cheers!
    moe

    btw: i haven't been to this board in ages...that's why you didn't know that i'm a she & not a he ...but hey...no hard feelings. moe is just a nickname i've had for nearly twenty years :chuckle.
  2. by   IMustBeCrazy
    A bit off topic but...

    With all due respect...can we stick to dark type and normal fonts for replies please? I feel like my eyes are bleeding after trying to read some of these posts. I know you probably have spent time and care in trying to answer a post, but it gets completely trivialized when I feel like I'm seeing in negative on my wall afterwards.

    Thanks!
  3. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    i'm sorry if my font/color(s) bothers you....it just a bit funny to me as your signature has almost the very same style... :chuckle!

    anyhoo...i've been a member here since feb' 03 & practically post like this ever since. i've also been known to fill-up my smilie quota as well. in fact, many people probably know me from various boards because of how i post...i guess it's my style/trade-mark .

    so...with all do respect...i'm goin' to have to pass on this request & continue with my own style of posting (or until brian takes the font/colors away) whichever come first . the only advice i can offer to remedy this situation for you is to skip over the post(s) that visually bother you :wink2:.

    cheers!
    moe
  4. by   IMustBeCrazy
    The difference of course being, that my signature is not the main portion of what I am trying to convey. I have been on the internet since day one and it always makes me chuckle when I see these kind of posting faux pas, but, hey do your thing. I will be skipping them in the future as I'm sure lots of other people do because they are difficult to read and tantamount to typing in all caps.

    Carry on~
    Last edit by IMustBeCrazy on May 22, '04
  5. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    :hatparty: thx ya :blushkiss ~ thx ya very much !

    cheers!
    moe
  6. by   IMustBeCrazy
    One thing that struck me about your explanation, Tony, was that you said that the tests went beyond the normal dosage calcs. Any attorney would have a field day with what you described. Coming from a legal background, I can say that those students that got removed from the program as you described can almost assuredly secure readmittance.

    Words such as 'class action lawsuit' tend to perk the ears of even the most stodgy college administrators. The class that they are taking was not a 'Linear Algebra' class, it's Nursing and the calculations they were called upon to calculate were not in keeping with anything they would do as a nurse. As you suggested, I would suggest that the attorney call upon the Department of Nursing staff to retake the test as it was given to the students. I suspect that it would be an interesting result, and would prove your point about the relevance of said test. This seems to be a clear example of unfair testing. What's next, are they going to make you do physics equations? Come on. Get real.

    Good luck to you and your friends, and don't take no for an answer on this one!
  7. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    whether your friends have a case for appeal or suit....they'll miss a lot of clinical hours & class time in other subjects. unfortunately...they'll going to end-up to waiting until next year to pick-up where they left off at the very earliest & that's a shame!

    no...they shouldn't give-up the fight cuz too much is at stake here.....emotionally, physically, spiritually, & financially! failing courses could spell disaster in terms of qualifying for continuing to receive financial aid/grants/scholarships. i just hope too much time hasn't gone by for them.
    cheers!
    moe
  8. by   IMustBeCrazy
    The situation described goes beyond being unfortunate. It's called PUNITIVE DAMAGES.
  9. by   Tony35NYC
    Quote from skm-nursiepooh

    i just infer that this last was their third make-up chance & they still failed....correct me if i'm wrong...but that's what i got from you first post. no way am i agreeing with your schools decision nor am i against your friends...and am i'm saying that they didn't study their math calculation enough. i'm just giving some advice based on what i inferred from your original post. it may not be what you wanted to read/hear...but it was meant to be positive...not a put-down. i think what you have to do is look at the message & not be so defensive...o.k.

    as i said before, you made a number of incorrect assumptions. half the things you're saying have nothing at all to do with my original post. nowhere in there did i say my friends failed the math exam three times. i did say that if a student fails the math exam three times they become permanently ineligible to continue in the program. notwithstanding, i give up on this thread because there's nothing positive at all about your comments, and it appears that you get off on putting other people down.

    i don't think that even you would have maxed that math exam, moe. even though i'm so sure you're really good. or, at the very least, much, much better than me and my ill-prepared friends.

    regards.
    t.
  10. by   PCGrad06
    i know how you feel. my two sisters and i started college together and i got in the rn program but neither of them did. i was excited for myself but didn't know how to share the news with my family. but being the sisters they are they smiled and made jokes about i got in because of my age. i am 30 the middle one is 23 and the baby just turned 20. congrads on getting in
  11. by   LadyMadonna
    Quote from IMustBeCrazy
    The difference of course being, that my signature is not the main portion of what I am trying to convey. I have been on the internet since day one and it always makes me chuckle when I see these kind of posting faux pas, but, hey do your thing. I will be skipping them in the future as I'm sure lots of other people do because they are difficult to read and tantamount to typing in all caps.

    Carry on~
    I second that, IMustBeCrazy. I can't stand to look at those bold fonts, either.
    But it seems that common courtesy is not so common anymore.
  12. by   klone
    I haven't read through all five pages, but that REALLY sucks.

    Our school has stressed that they want to PASS us, NOT FAIL us. With that in mind, they keep the math TOTALLY separate from the general content tests, and we have until November to pass with 1 incorrect answer (which translates to around 97%). You can take the test as many times as you need to in order to pass, so long as it's done before that November deadline.

    Many of us tested out on the first try. The others get feedback on which types of questions they need work on, and they do practice tests and just keep trying until they get that 97%.

    Our math/dosage test method is called ProCalc.
  13. by   klone
    Quote from LadyMadonna
    I second that, IMustBeCrazy. I can't stand to look at those bold fonts, either.
    But it seems that common courtesy is not so common anymore.
    Ain't that the truth. It seems that netiquette has fallen by the wayside, now that everyone and their dog is on the 'net. Between netiquette faux pas and "netspeak" (eg: "How R U?"), it's enough to want to pull my eyes out with a red-hot pliers.

    Oh, how I yearn for the old listserv days. :chuckle

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