Codes-ACLS drugs-reasons for the code

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Don't ya hate when you have to ask a question that you KNOW you should know already? Well, here's another one.

I've been in a lot of codes, been in the ER over a year now. They don't scare me, I can be secondary nurse (the "do-er") or primary (the writer) with no qualms. So that's a huge improvement. But here's the thing...I know the ACLS drugs, I know to ask the paramedics before they leave how many rounds of epi/atropine they've given, what rhythms they've seen, if they lost the pulse, what time did that happen, etc.

But then, one time I asked the doc if he wanted to give another round of atropine, we hadn't done the max of 3 rounds...and he answered something like "well, no, I don't think heart rate is a problem".

In ACLS they teach us the drugs, they teach us the max doses, etc...but they don't teach us WHY we're giving them! There's an ER101 post that I just read, and it's a good beginning reference, but I still don't think I totally get why we give certain drugs, and why that doc would say "no" to the atropine. Every single other code I've ever worked, we give the epi/atropine rounds until the atropine's maxed out. I never even thought to look at heart rate, we just give it cuz ACLS says you can give 3 (although I have given atropine in other situations, so I should KNOW that).

And that leads me to my next question...aren't we supposed to be looking to see if there's a reason for the code? My real concern is that I have a diabetic child, and I've seen him go REALLY low before, but he's never lost consciousness. So what if it's a severe hypoglycemia? Or some other treatable cause, that causes the unresponsiveness...that led to respiratory arrest and/or cardiac arrest? Most of our codes, we never even bother to collect blood. We look at times, how long has he been down? If he's been down a long time, we know there'll be no brain function left, so we usually do the obligatory epi/atropine, maybe some bicarb, calcium, whatever, then we call it. I've only ever seen ONE nurse ask for a d-stick, no blood was ever collected.

Is that how everyone else handles the codes? Aren't there reversible reasons (like severe hypoglycemia?) that could have caused the code? If they're coming in the door from EMS already in full arrest, is it too late to deal iwth any of the possible causes?

I feel like I know how to "do", but not to "think" about the codes. But I feel like I should KNOW this. How could I have been working many many codes by now, and not know this stuff?

Thanks!

VS

To Km5v6r: Your statement about the reason for a code not really mattering is totally incorrect. Do you remember learning the 5 H's and 5 T's that are taught in ACLS. You absolutely should be looking for the reasons. If all your doing is getting the heart going again and not correcting the reversible cause you are remiss.

to nurse beachbum - I agree. Nurses shouldn't be pounced on when they ask a question. This is the only way to learn. There is a lot to learn from someone who has 23 years of CCU experience but if the purpose is to make someone feel stupid what are you accomplishing?

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