Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 12

by BrandybunsRN | 17,279 Views | 132 Comments

While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More


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    Quote from MeggieA
    This statement makes me ask why.Could there be any connection that this year there were more mandates and flu vaccines given,more than last year.More nurses and patients ill this year of nurses who took the vaccine have been quite ill along with patients.This info only confirms
    my own stance on the mandate.
    The quoted statement from myself above also makes me ask why I can't put a sentence together!
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    Quote from morte
    We are talking UNDER, not over testing...
    The poster I responded to was questioning if there were more confirmed cases this year d/t the fact more people are being swabbed. Are more being swabbed than last year? Probably, but that's due to clinical presentation and the extent of the outbreak: my hospital now swabs anyone with flu-like symptoms in the ED/OcHealth. This years's flu is virulent resulting in more people seeking medical help, which is also a factor. Maybe the same number are sick but those sick are sicker? Either way, it's a problem.
    Last edit by BostonFNP on Jan 24, '13
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    Hmm , if we don't test, it didn't exist. We can't compare apples to oranges....or kiwis to pears....Is it more virulent? or is the media hype causing persons to seek medical care more quickly?
    Quote from BostonFNP
    The poster I responded to was questioning if there were more confirmed cases this year d/t the fact more people are being swabbed. Are more being swabbed than last year? Probably, but that's due to clinical presentation and the extent of the outbreak: my hospital now swabs anyone with flu-like symptoms in the ED/OcHealth. This years's flu is virulent resulting in more people seeking medical help, which is also a factor. Maybe the same number are sick but those sick are sicker? Either way, it's a problem.
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    But, one could also ask why can't it be physiologically possible. The vials of vaccine are not just comprised of a dead virus-so they tell us- but tween 80,thimerosol(in some),antibxs,etc.Those alone are of concern to me but not anywhere near the concern of that Triton X-100.A detergent surfactant that inactivates the virus on a cellular(DNA) level.Unfortunately it does not differentiate between cells.It just happens to be used to kill the virus cell ALSO.It easily crosses the blood brain barrier.

    TX100 is an ingredient I certainly do not want within my system or interfering with my DNA.If anything is going to destroys my cells it is going to be of a NATURAL process.It is not going to be by injecting chemicals into me-an invasive medical procedure that I have full control over allowing or refusing.No one else is ever going to have that control over my body/health.

    Couldn't there also be a possibility that one ,if not more, of these ingredients could cause symptoms similar to the flu? I don't know and I believe noone else knows either. These separate ingredients have not been studied outside the petrie dish and their actions on cells.Humans usually have no need to be injected with these ingredients alone to warrant a randomized or controlled study!Maybe they will start a study seeing how humans are now basically being made to take the shot and it is obvious,by reports,the more vaccines given(as this year)the more illness.70-700 cases of flu in Boston so far this year. Isn't that quite a jump in a year? It is a no-brainer to me.

    I am fortunate to be healthy,fortunate to never have had a flu and surely will not start taken flu shots now. This is one of many reasons that a flu shot COULD be physiologically possible. In the end you are right to think it is impossible and I am also right to believe it is possible.
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    To clarify.My last post #112 is in response to post # 109 by Boston FNP.

    I will eventually get the hang of doing the "quote"post before responding.
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    Quote from morte
    Hmm , if we don't test, it didn't exist. We can't compare apples to oranges....or kiwis to pears....Is it more virulent? or is the media hype causing persons to seek medical care more quickly?
    Outside of pandemic times we rarely culture for flu, rather treat the symptoms based on purely on a clinical diagnosis. So it does exist when we don't "test" it, doesn't it?

    Hype can cause people to seek medical care, but can it cause both clinical symptoms and positive cultures? Likely not, or at least not in the numbers we are seeing.
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    Quote from MeggieA
    Couldn't there also be a possibility that one ,if not more, of these ingredients could cause symptoms similar to the flu?. This is one of many reasons that a flu shot COULD be physiologically possible.
    I am not sure what your background is and how much biochem, nursing, and medical education you have, so please pardon me if this seems overly simplistic in response. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion and interpretation.

    Could an ingredient possibly cause flu-like symptoms? Sure, most constitutional flu symptoms are non-specific. What those ingredients can not do is cause positive influenza cultures.

    As far as TX-100, no additional chemical entering your body are good. TX100 split virions have been demonstrated safe in a myriad of clinical trials. Would I inject myself with straight TX-100? Now way!
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    Quote from MeggieA
    But, one could also ask why can't it be physiologically possible. The vials of vaccine are not just comprised of a dead virus-so they tell us- but tween 80,thimerosol(in some),antibxs,etc.Those alone are of concern to me but not anywhere near the concern of that Triton X-100.A detergent surfactant that inactivates the virus on a cellular(DNA) level.Unfortunately it does not differentiate between cells.It just happens to be used to kill the virus cell ALSO.It easily crosses the blood brain barrier.

    TX100 is an ingredient I certainly do not want within my system or interfering with my DNA.If anything is going to destroys my cells it is going to be of a NATURAL process.It is not going to be by injecting chemicals into me-an invasive medical procedure that I have full control over allowing or refusing.No one else is ever going to have that control over my body/health.

    Couldn't there also be a possibility that one ,if not more, of these ingredients could cause symptoms similar to the flu? I don't know and I believe noone else knows either. These separate ingredients have not been studied outside the petrie dish and their actions on cells.Humans usually have no need to be injected with these ingredients alone to warrant a randomized or controlled study!Maybe they will start a study seeing how humans are now basically being made to take the shot and it is obvious,by reports,the more vaccines given(as this year)the more illness.70-700 cases of flu in Boston so far this year. Isn't that quite a jump in a year? It is a no-brainer to me.

    I am fortunate to be healthy,fortunate to never have had a flu and surely will not start taken flu shots now. This is one of many reasons that a flu shot COULD be physiologically possible. In the end you are right to think it is impossible and I am also right to believe it is possible.
    While "Triton-X 100" sounds like a super villain that can change shape from a tank to a murderous robot, it's actually just a surfactant detergent with an attached PEG group, or in other words; soap and a laxative.

    I totally agree that we need to be careful about what we put into our bodies, but there are far worse things that we commonly put into our bodies than TX100. First, TX100 is not an additive, it's used in the manufacturing process to help split viruses (by lowering the surface tension that holds them together). The amounts left in the final product are extremely small.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "cellular" references as a virus is not a cell.

    Just to clarify, are you suggesting flu vaccines cause the flu?
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    If I may----FluMist has the potential theoretically cause influenza--although it should be a rare thing.
    The inactivated virus's within the im version cannot cause the strands of viral infection it contains. However serum sickness can mimic the "flu" clinically in many ways, with even elevated temperatures, muscle aches, sore throat etc. Perhaps that is what many are actually experiencing?
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    Quote from olddragger
    If I may----FluMist has the potential theoretically cause influenza--although it should be a rare thing.
    The inactivated virus's within the im version cannot cause the strands of viral infection it contains. However serum sickness can mimic the "flu" clinically in many ways, with even elevated temperatures, muscle aches, sore throat etc. Perhaps that is what many are actually experiencing?
    The attenuated vaccines have a slight risk in the immunodeficient.

    As far as the flu-like symptoms with inactivated vaccine, sure, but they won't have positive cultures.


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