What percentage of programs would you say offer an "in state" advantage... - page 2
to applicants. Since we live in Indiana where there are NO CRNA programs we will have to move without regard to which program we wish to attend. However, as referenced in a previous post it seems... Read More
Oct 18, '02that some states like PA have TENwhile others like CA have only three or as is the case in my home state of Indiana NONE. Is it espcially difficult to start a program? It certainly seems like there is a DEMAND here for CRNA's (reading the Indy Star classifieds I see several adds most weeks). Could there be subtle (or not so subtle) pressure from MD's not to offer more such programs? If so why is Penn. seemigly immune to such pressure. Conversely, does it possibly represent efforts by CRNA's themselves to limit supply in order to facilitate higher salaries?
Oct 18, '02Yes, its pretty difficult to start a program. I was in the first class at my program (Newman University, Wichita, Kansas), and had a conversation or two with the director about it. First, you must find an institution willing to have the program, no small feat in and of itself. When Dr Chipas first had the idea to start a program, he was working on his PhD in adult education at the time. He approached Wichita State University, which has a nursing program. He was told that since KU, another Regent's University, had a CRNA program, it would be difficult to get one started at WSU. I guess they said they would consider it, but recommended to Tony that he stop working on his PhD, to get his BSN at WSU!
Next, he went to Newman, who also had a BSN program. After examining the idea, Newman told him to go ahead with the program, and that's when the real work began. He had to make sure there were enough anesthesia groups willing to take students to support the program, and obtain program certification from the COA. In all, from approval to admitting and starting his first class, it took Tony two years to get the program up and running. By all accounts, that's pretty fast.
Oct 18, '02BTW, I don't think there is any pressure on the part of MDA's to limit programs, nor on the part of CRNA's to control supply of new graduates. Currently, the rate of retirement of CRNA's exceeds the rate of new graduates coming out, so there is a real squeeze, that's only going to get worse. Some programs (TWU, NU) have even expanded their programs to admit more students in the last couple of years.
There used to be a much larger number of programs, but when the decision was made to require programs to grant master's degrees at the end of the school, many hospital affiliated programs shut down. There has not been a big rush to fill the void left by these closures.