I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

subee said:

This is from Snopes but other sites say the same thing:   Unsolicited ballots were sent in 10 states to citizens who were ALREADY registered to vote.   Multiple states have been voting by mail for years without incident.  I now, no longer, have to request for a mail-in ballot every election.  I have given them permission to mail me a ballot for every election.  Someone would have to come into my house and steal my ballot and fake my signature so, nah, the system is secure.

"In sum, while it was true millions of mail-in ballots were sent to people who did not submit applications for them in the 2020 presidential election, it was a mischaracterization of states' election laws to frame that fact as evidence of impropriety or fraud. Rather, the ballots were sent to registered voters in accordance with state laws. For those reasons, we rate this claim "Mostly False."

I don't think that many Trump voters trust fact checkers, like Snopes, as much as they trust what Trump or their media tells them.  

NRSKarenRN said:

More rare:  A democratic president berating an election worker from the White House.

2020: Trump campaign demonized two Georgia election workers – and death threats followed

January 6th House Committee hearing testimony.

 

Jury awards $148 million in damages to Georgia election workers over Rudy Giuliani's 2020 vote lies

 

Forward to 9/17/2024 AP News

Election officials prepare for threats with panic buttons, bulletproof glass

 

Only 1 or 2 voters were harassed.  So it doesn't matter....  

toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that word has a narrow definition that is related exclusively or primarily to violence? 

It 100% would be if Trump said it.  

Crusades said:

It 100% would be if Trump said it.  

I'm certain that you believe that. 

Tell me what the meaning of bloodbath includes. How narrow of a definition it's that? Who used the term bloodbath, the surrogate or the candidate himself? 

Crusades said:

Only 1 or 2 voters were harassed.  So it doesn't matter....  

What?

Crusades said:

Only 1 or 2 voters were harassed.  So it doesn't matter....  

Surely you jest...

I posted the two WORST examples of election worker harassment.

Issue started from the top: President Trump and some political leaders.

2022:  Pa. has seen unusual threat levels against poll workers: FBI

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As of this June, nearly 60% of 1,000 reports to a task force monitoring threats to election workers were in states that experienced election challenges, recounts or audits in 2020, such as Colorado, Georgia and Pennsylvania, the federal agencies said in a report.

Brennan Center for Justice Report: Election Officials Under Attack

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The most troubling and impactful villainization of election officials in the last year has come from some of America's political leaders. Many have pointed to President Trump's attempt to delegitimize the 2020 election results as "rigged" — and the "Stop the Steal" movement he inspired — as the reason for targeting election officials. But the problem goes far deeper than one man.

...In several states, party leaders have censured and replaced officials who insisted on telling the truth about the security and accuracy of the election....

 

 

They offer many solutions to reduce/eliminate  election worker abuse.

toomuchbaloney said:

I'm certain that you believe that. 

Tell me what the meaning of bloodbath includes. How narrow of a definition it's that? Who used the term bloodbath, the surrogate or the candidate himself? 

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 bloodbath is not literally "a bath full of blood" - the compound has only the meaning of "a massacre", or in modern English, it more likely means something semi-serious, like at work when members of staff are held responsible for something bad and punished severely by the boss, as in:

 

"How was the meeting?"

 

"Oh, it was a bloodbath!"

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/english-metaphors-idioms-mcglacken-jd-teamspeakfluentenglish

A word used to demonstrate a serious issue or event. 

It wasn't used in reference to an actual person. It's different than 

"Trump needs to be extinguished" or "existential threat to be eliminated" and "Put Trump in a bullseye ". 

Perhaps if there is 2 "bloodbath baths" in less than 9 weeks, I'll consider otherwise. 

Do you approve of the language used against Trump? 

Crusades said:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/english-metaphors-idioms-mcglacken-jd-teamspeakfluentenglish

A word used to demonstrate a serious issue or event. 

It wasn't used in reference to an actual person. It's different than 

"Trump needs to be extinguished" or "existential threat to be eliminated" and "Put Trump in a bullseye ". 

Perhaps if there is 2 "bloodbath baths" in less than 9 weeks, I'll consider otherwise. 

Do you approve of the language used against Trump? 

You approve of Trump's so it is really of no importance if members approve of less violent rhetoric or imagery from others. The language of bloodbath and images of hogtied presidents is justifiable and not disqualifying so there's no point wasting time worrying about less violent communications from others. Trump is the king of bully language and violent rhetoric.  It's part of his strongman shtick.  If his reckless language can be explained away then the much milder language of his political opponents is not really the larger concern. That's especially true when you consider the history of stochastic violence that coincidentally visits the targets of Trump's attacks.  It is unwise to assume that violent rhetoric will always agitate and motivate unstable people in the ways that benefit those who engage in the rhetoric.  

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/17/nx-s1-5113997/political-violence-trump

toomuchbaloney said:

I don't think that many Trump voters trust fact checkers, like Snopes, as much as they trust what Trump or their media tells them.  

I don't believe they even bother with any fact checks.  

NRSKarenRN said:

Surely you jest...

I posted the two WORST examples of election worker harassment.

Issue started from the top: President Trump and some political leaders.

2022:  Pa. has seen unusual threat levels against poll workers: FBI

Brennan Center for Justice Report: Election Officials Under Attack

 

They offer many solutions to reduce/eliminate  election worker abuse.

Our city is having a tough time scrounging up Republican poll workers.  Do they know something that we don't or do they just not care?  Or do they believe that if they are no shows, the election will be cancelled?  Do they want to avoid abuse by their own party members who might not know they are registered Republicans? It's hard to fathom why we can't get them.  The county has plenty of Republicans.

subee said:

Our city is having a tough time scrounging up Republican poll workers.  Do they know something that we don't or do they just not care?  Or do they believe that if they are no shows, the election will be cancelled?  Do they want to avoid abuse by their own party members who might not know they are registered Republicans? It's hard to fathom why we can't get them.  The county has plenty of Republicans.

Perhaps they are setting up grounds for a lawsuit challenging the results of the election if Trump loses?

heron said:

Perhaps they are setting up grounds for a lawsuit challenging the results of the election if Trump loses?

We can expect that there will be all manner of chaos including legal challenges and not so legal challenges of results should Trump lose again.  He and his sychophants already refuse to say that they will accept election results.