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Certification: CPON vs BMTCN?
Thanks for your response, jrtaylor4, after talking to a number of different folks I've decided CPHON is the best option at this point in my career. I like that it's peds focused and covers Heme/Onc/BMT together. One of our travel RNs pointed out the same thing you did: that other units are usually combined rather than just BMT. If I ever want to move to another hospital or try travel nursing CPHON would be the most useful. Thanks again for your thoughts, I really appreciate the feedback!
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Lab draws
We draw labs on the kiddos w/ CVC or PICC lines. Phlebotomists usually draw on kids w/ IVs. We also have an IV team for difficult pokes.
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Certification: CPON vs BMTCN?
Hi There! I posted this the Oncology section but also thought I'd post here: I work on a pediatric BMT unit and am looking at testing for one of the specialty certifications: either CPON (Certified Pediatric Oncology Nurse) or BMTCN (Bone Marrow Transplant Certified Nurse) which covers both adults & peds. Any advice which might be better? I had a manager say CPON would be more useful if I ever wanted to work at another hospital and it's more focused on Peds. She also noted it's the professional standard for nurses working in the pediatric oncology specialty. A RN colleague of mine who holds both certifications thinks I should do BMTCN since "you're a BMT nurse...that's what you do." Another RN colleague said it really doesn't matter which certification I site for. Just holding a specialty certification shows professional growth & specialization either way. Thoughts on this? Thanks for you insight!
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Starting on the bone marrow transplant unit - help!
...also if you run a search, there are a couple threads on here outlining lots of tips about what to study in preparation for BMT work. Check them out, they're full of useful information!
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Starting on the bone marrow transplant unit - help!
Congratulations! Pediatric BMT is where I started straight out of nursing school & I love it. I was so terrified, but the nurses I work with are an incredible bunch mixing extremely intricate, specialized knowledge with deep compassion and commitment. It's definitely a steep learning curve, but it's also very team oriented. Ask questions, soak up everything you can, and be gentle with yourself. It's hard work but so very rewarding :)
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It just has to be said (vent)...
Thank you!! I really enjoy my job, my patients, and my coworkers/managers too -- I'm a second career RN, and often tell my preceptees that going into nursing was one of the best (and hardest) decisions I ever made. I had to move far from home to secure my first job out of nursing school, but it was an amazing opportunity on a fantastic unit. Now my friends and family ask when I'm moving back, and I don't know if I want to give up such a great work environment : ) Again, thanks for putting it out there that nursing can be deeply rewarding despite the challenges.
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"I don't know how you do it"
When I first graduated and landed my job in peds oncology, one of my male nurse friends who worked in the ER told me, "I could never do that. The only reason you can do it is because you don't have kids yet. Once you have kids, you'll understand." Seriously?!? Not having children makes me more desensitized or something?!? What about my coworkers who already have children or are pregnant? People make the weirdest comments sometimes...
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New grads, How did you list your clinical rotations on your resume?
Some places ask for this, others don't consider it experience -- there are a few threads on this. I'd suggest a separate page, include the hours of that rotation (this was requested at some major teaching hospitals I applied to) and focus on skills -- discharge planning, eh... What hands on skills did you do? IV starts? Managing complicated lines or high acuity patients with vents, trachs --- what skills do you think you shine at in school ... Psychosocial support? Geriatric populations? Delirious patients --- this is a good place to highlight both experience in the context of skills and strengths in your practice so far. Don't be afraid to point out areas that need improvement during interviews and an interest in learning those skills too... Good luck!
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BMT nursing questions
Hey there! Huge Congrats! I did my senior practicum in BMT too & LOVED it. It's not for everyone, but it was definitely for me. I remember it being a steep learning curve because, as you mentioned, we really hadn't learned much about BMT during nursing school. Now I work as a Pediatric BMT RN. We usually have no more than two patients, sometimes we share 1.5:1, 1:1 (and in really serious cases 2:1!) but on adult units it can be 3:1, and on mixed BMT/Heme/Onc it might be closer to 4:1 or 5:1 (but I think 5 is too much if blended with a BMT patient!) Here's a taste: Folks get super sick on BMT -- we "condition" them with very high-dose chemotherapy (Imagine the equivalent of 1 years worth of chemo given over 6 days) that ablates the bone marrow, then we infuse them with either donor stem cells (allogeneic) or their own cells (autologous, sometimes called a "rescue") -- then we manage the symptoms of the high dose chemos et al while they grow their new marrow/immune system back. Those who receive cells from a donor source take a lot longer, and require immunosuppressive drugs for life so they don't reject the transplant. It's an incredible process, and very hard on the patients. During my senior practicum, my preceptor told me "we basically bring them to the edge of death and back again..." With no WBC counts, they are prone to infection, their bone marrow is essentially non-existent so they need multiple platelet and blood transfusion (or FFP, Albumin...) until their counts are back up. Antibiotics/Antivirals/Antifungals are the norm. The chemo can be cardiotoxic, hepatotoxic, and can fry the kidneys, so knowing those systems are important. Knowing all the systems is important...and signs those symptoms are shutting down. Managing, pain, fevers, nausea (look up antiemetics), fatigue, mucositis, GI issues/weight loss, emotional support, the process of being in isolation for weeks to months..."those walls can close in fast" Review general heme/onc w/ a focus on blood diseases (leukemias, sickle cell). We also transplant SCIDS babies (born without immune systems to start) and some others...what you'll see really depends on the hospital. Review the process for transfusing blood products (probably won't be able to touch blood or chemos while your precepting, but you'll see plenty) also managing transfusion reactions. Know your antibiotics, antivirals, antifungals. Research working with severely neutropenic populations & practicing impeccable hygiene/precautions. Learn about mucositis, pain interventions, all pain narcotics. You'll learn a of critical care. We are categorized as an ICU but we don't do vents. Review signs of sepsis, infection, signs of bleeding problems (read up on hemophilia), topical skin lotions (some of the chemos burn/irritate the skin and it can peel right off), incredible wound care, working with CVCs & Ports. I remember being intimidated by the amount of lines to manage. We frequently have kids on PN + Lipids + Heparin + Dilaudid or Morphine PCA, sometimes lasix or insulin drips...then add on their antibiotics, or blood products, and various IV meds -- and you have to double and triple check what's IV compatible with what...that can be quite a juggle! But you do get used to it. While you are there, you will have great opportunity to practice your head-to-toe assessment and monitoring vitals signs. I'm sure you've heard throughout nursing school how important these two skills are. On BMT these two skills are SOOO important. Sometimes the slightest change in your baseline assessment can indicate a serious change in condition and these patients can crunk out fast. We've had kids who were up talking & playing and within 30 minutes were going septic! There's an art to getting reliable temps and BPs on our patients. Even changes in weights or abdominal girth can indicate big issues. Look up Veno-oclusive disease & hemorrhagic cystitis. Some of what I love about BMT is there is a big emphasis on "team nursing" -- so much of what we do has to be double checked by other RNs at the bedside (Chemos/Blood Products/Drip Changes/Narcotic PCAs) so everyone works together a lot. You also work with patients for such an extended period of time that you really get to know them well. I love the psycho-social support aspect, personally, and with the kiddos we do so much to keep things fun and interesting and developmentally appropriate. I love the critical care aspect also (nerd alert!) and really do a lot of review and education regularly. I also like that most of our patients can still talk and interact (no vents!) and most of them have central lines so we aren't doing a lot of poking (alas, I have zero IV skills working on BMT). I also like that there is so much teaching involved. You really have to enjoy developing relationships with people and being creative in educating them about their "new normal" post-transplant What I don't like about it is sometimes all the interventions in the world don't seem to ease the suffering and I go home some nights feeling like I didn't provide any relief despite throwing my entire orificenal of interventions at them. Sometimes patients really break down psychologically, and if they react to medications they can hallucinate, or they don't make it through treatment...dealing with grief, and the dying process is also important to review -- and therapeutic listening/communication. Losing patients is so, so challenging and you have to learn really good coping and self-care methods to avoid burnout. Remember to take care of yourself. Set healthy emotional boundaries. I find working with this patient population makes me recognize how magical every day is, and to not to take anything in life for granted. I really give thanks on a regular basis, and take full advantage of my days off! That's probably more than enough... At the end of the day, just try to soak up as much as you can! Ask questions, keep a notebook handy, and look up everything. I hope you have an enjoyable experience. It can be incredibly difficult work, but also deeply rewarding. And I forgot the mention: BMT nurses are a super unique kind of wonderful -- often a bit type A, but extremely compassionate and fantastic colleagues. You're going to learn so much! Enjoy the process & good luck!!!
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Holistic Nurses, what are your thoughts on GMO's
I try to avoid them & wish they were labeled clearly like in Europe so I could make better, informed decisions as a consumer. At least let me choose -- GMO plants are NOT the same as hybrid plants, and trying to sell them as such is a big ol' lie. If other people want to eat them, go right ahead.
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For extroverts...please don't ask me
Susan Cain is also the author of a wonderful book on introverts aptly titled "Quiet"
- Optimal Effects of Child Life Involvement in Pediatric Nursing
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Unique Toys/Gifts for Kids in Hospital
Hi there! I am compiling a list of gift ideas/toys that are particularly good for sick kids - both in the hospital and at home. Aside from the normal things like puzzles, and art supplies, what clever or popular items have you seen at the bedside that help kids get through their treatment? One of my parents recently brought in a bunch of those removable plastic wall decals and completely decorated his daughter's room. It looked amazing! I've also had a lot of moms rave about these little ice-bears that you keep in the freezer. Not sure who makes them. Queesy-pops & queesy-drops have been great for our chemo-kids during treatment. What else??
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Never Thought I Would Be a Peds Nurse but...
I wasn't planning on working Peds either! Of course, life had a different idea. I had a background in education working with children before nursing school and the idea of working with sick children just felt scary and too emotionally challenging for me...but my first/only job offer after school was in peds onc (I had been targeting oncology from the start) and now I am so happy I am working in this specialty. I realized all my fears were really because I love kids so much and didn't want to be around them suffering, but I've come around significantly and have learned so many ways to help them. Very, very fulfilling. I am even interested in working peds palliative care/hospice someday. What a switch! The girl in my class who was certain she wanted to be in peds now works on an adult tele unit. You never know...
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New Grad Programs: Advantage of MSN & high GPA?
I second that. I do think my class was very unique, we were small, and the competition to get accepted to the program was SUPER fierce (state school tuition pulls a lot of apps!) so our group had a lot of fascinating life experiences/background coming in. I only got called for ONE interview and that was all I needed. Once I had that face-to-face opportunity I took it for all it was worth and landed the job. I believe many of my classmates were in similar situations: they lept at whatever chances presented and excelled from there. The exceptions were the few who had been working as CNA's already. They had jobs lined up at their hospitals before graduation. So probably a large part of our hiring stats were due to the type of student population my program recruited and that we were able to maneuver competitively in this rough job market for a variety of reasons. No one really makes a big deal of my having a MSN as a bedside RN and neither do I. At my hospital everything is so seniority based that it really seems to all come down to how many years you've worked on the unit..not what letters come after your name...but you do get little pay differentials for said letters. Right now I am learning all I can and trying my best to grow professionally as a competent RN. I do hope to put my MSN to good use later in my career and felt it was the best path for my situation (low cost, quicker completion, no 2-year wait list like w/ the ADN program, able to qualify for federal aid for grad school) So, yes, your best bet is probably: ~lowest cost ~BSN ~work in the field as a CNA ~network like crazy But there may be other life circumstances for you to consider that will skew those around. Good luck!!