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I don't come on this forum often but it's good to see that you're still having pretend arguments with yourself.

Correct. That sums it up for any non-union job.

And here I was thinking push pause.

Or bleach. Whatever kills it in a minute. Also, can someone explain to me why pulmonary tanning hasn't been tried yet? Thank goodness Alex Azar put a labradoodle breeder with no public health or medical qualifications in charge of putting the coronavirus task force together. Maybe he can help look into why these ideas haven't been tried yet.

No judgement here. I'd need anesthesiologist money to even consider working bedside in a hospital. It's just a job. Unless you feel like it's your calling or whatever but I don't get that impression from your post. Thankfully there are a lot of different career paths in nursing. Having a year in acute care under your belt will be helpful. How about trying home care or some other kind of outpatient setting? Maybe you have a soft spot for kids and would like to work for an agency that provides care to disabled children? Maybe you like to form relationships w/ your patients and would like working as a dialysis nurse for awhile? Ambulatory centers etc won't be hiring now obviously but you could try that out later.. Anyway, my point is, if you don't love hospital nursing, that's OK. Try out some other paths to find something that fits better.

Search this forum for "I hate nursing" or "burnout". There are a ton of threads about how much people hate their jobs because bedside nursing is drudgery for which you have an enormous amount of responsibility and very little to no authority. I honestly cannot think of a number that would make me move to bedside nursing in a hospital - not kidding, even if I was offered 300k/year, I wouldn't do it. Here's an example from when I was on rotation, how do you feel about spending some quality time with an alcoholic on lactulose 30ml BID and a rectal tube? Guess what? Rectal tubes leak. Imagine the smell of their breath, the leering comments and the knowledge that everything you're doing to treat them (virtually all of which must be ordered by a provider - you're just a nurse) is useless because this person has a disease that will cause them to continue to poison themselves. He's been in the hospital a million times and he'll keep coming back until he's dead. If you love the hospital setting (strong overhead lights, beeping machines, squeaky floors, smell of disinfectant and poop, fear, hope, dread), you enjoy people so much that you don't mind when they're disgusting (which is frequent in the hospital), and you're totally cool with doctors and prescribers giving you orders that you must follow while you have no authority, than maybe it's for you. I'd strongly suggest shadowing a nurse if you can before jumping into anything.

I know. I've worked in pharmacy for many years and work w/ a new PharmD grad right now. He's staring down the same hole the majority of other new PharmD grads in a saturated market are. Still. Move. Get a job in Minnesota or whatever. I'm kidding about MN, I have no clue where the actual need is but I've heard many times that if you're willing to move, you can get a job. Guess what they were telling us nurse grads when I graduated? Move. The market's supersaturated here. Go on to get a higher degree or move. You won't get a job w/out experience. So... not seeing a big difference between the job prospects as a new grad in either profession. Going to nursing school would just = more debt. The OP should find a job as a pharmacist wherever he/she can. They can always move back to wherever they want to be once they have a couple of years of experience.

Oh, I see. Yes, I agree with you. The politicians would be raising it as a general concern if they received enough emails not naming names.

Derrick Smith, CRNA, tells a story of the "terrifying reality" revealed in the tragic last words of a dying man he was about to place on a ventilator: "Who's going to pay for it?" the coronavirus patient asked Smith in between labored breaths. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/health/nurse-last-words-coronavirus-patient-trnd/index.html

Number 2 is a winner. Everyone is going to click on that.

Probably not but if it's local politicians and enough nurses contacted them it, it might.

Yep. I'm in management, trust me when I say that management cares inasmuch as it doesn't affect their extra slice of the pie. Advocating for something that would cost their organization serious money could definitely alter the trajectory of their career. This holds true for bedside nurses as well. To be clear, this is true in all BUSINESSES. Healthcare is a business in America. Even the "non-profits" top people are making millions a year. Again, healthcare is a business like any other in America. This should not surprise anyone.

Yes. Keep looking for a job as a pharmacist.

I completely agree w/ you and was also disheartened to see the original post you're talking about garner approximately zero response. It's all about marketing. Sad but true. Make the title of the post sexy like you did on this one. Drama is click bait. I don't have a suggestion because I can't think of an exciting way to put - "Shocker - You actually deserve to be paid if you contract COVID-19 while working bedside". Maybe "Management are scumbags that will screw you in every way you let them so don't let them"? Seriously though - make a change.org petition for this issue and post links to it here every day. If it's easy to sign the petition people might do it. If it gets enough signatures, send an explanation email and link to the petition to various media outlets. Hopefully, we'll see you on the news soon.

I've seen mention of this possibility from cases in China as well. However, with a suspected false negative rate of as high as 30% on the PCR tests these could have been false negatives when the viral load was low. Either way it is interesting that the disease course appears to have an initial recovery phase and then a relapse of varying severity in some people.

Multiple companies have quick and easy to use serology tests for COVID 19 antibodies but the FDA is currently only allowing clinical laboratories to get them from one company. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-serological-tests I'm not talking about little never heard of companies, I'm talking about BD, Henry Schein etc that have easy to use serology tests ready to be shipped that need a finger stick and are read on strips that are similar to a pregnancy test reader. They have simple charts to guide the user in reading the test correctly. These serology tests are obviously not useful for acute diagnosis but they are very useful for helping people in essential industries figure out which workers are less of a risk because they've already had COVID and developed antibodies AND they would identify candidates for convalescent serum donors. These tests should and would be available in doctor's offices, urgent care centers etc (all of which could easily and safely use them) but the FDA stepped in at the last minute just before a bunch were shipped and said no don't ship to anyone but complex laboratories. I don't know if the FDA is trying to say that BD, Henry Schein etc did not meet the requirements of the original waiver guidance but it sure looks like they are nit picking for no gd reason. Just make sure it's clear on the packaging that these are not diagnostic tests and let them be shipped!

Yes! I'm in CT and every morning everyone is driving 75-80 with an occasional moron cruising by around 90. There are cops at almost every usual speed trap spot right now, I see 3-5 on a typical morning and have seen one of the 90 mph SUVs fly right by two different cops and no one came out for him. Most people aren't even bothering to tap their brakes anymore. I was wondering why there was so much high visibility placement but nothing actually happening. Makes sense.

As someone in management (not hospital or direct patient care) the specter of bad publicity is huge leverage. Use it people! Email local news stations. Make a new email address, don't use your name, just tell them you're a nurse at XYZ hospital, explain the current sick policy and give them the names and contact info of some of the HR staff at the hospital so the journalists can contact them about the COVID related sick time policy. HR won't answer of course but the anchor can still talk about their non-response which helps the public correctly assume they're guilty as charged. Definitely email your local state reps, congressional rep, state attorney general. People at the top of hospital admin do not want to hear negative things from these people.

Essential staff at pharmacies, grocery stores, Home Depot, mail carriers bla bla bla.. are all out there working every day potentially infecting other people because they have no idea that they're infected. It'd be very useful to know who to send home so they aren't unknowingly increasing the caseload for healthcare workers.

Welp really hope a hyperbaric chamber isn't what they need because that would make the ventilator shortage look like absolutely nothing.

That's the first thing I thought too but I think it's worth noting that it looks like only one tiger was actually tested and the rest showing symptoms are presumed infected because they also came in contact w/ the infected worker.

Please explain what you mean by "mortality rate in resolved cases" and cite your sources. All credible sources that I've seen put the COVID-19 mortality rate in Germany around 0.5-0.9% with full acknowledgment that despite their far better testing rates than just about every other country - even they aren't able to test enough people to have reliable numbers of the actual infection rates. So the mortality rate is still skewed high. Please tell me what I'm missing while I'm staring up in space on paradise island.

Well, I'm 5'6 112lb F. But I kind of like the sound of being called big boy, I have to admit. ? Kidding, not kidding. Also, I scrolled further this time and found the facepalm emoji so I'm pleased about that too. Listen, DannyBoy. I'm gonna be a big boy about this and tell you to calm ** down. Then I'm going to mansplain this *****to you in case you haven't noticed the other responses that have already explained why this is not even close to an extinction level event and would still not be even if we had no modern functioning health care system or vaccines. Here's why - it primarily kills old people. Period. Even if immunity is short term (which is very possible, maybe even probable), it doesn't matter. If it ran its course unchecked, it'd wipe out a lot of old people and people w/ underlying conditions annually. Countries that are doing mass testing of all citizens are finding a very sizable portion of infections are completely asymptomatic. And they're young, healthy reproducing people.

I was going to joke about slowly putting down the fish food. But then I read the article to the end and now just want to vomit.

Agreed. It doesn't look malicious to me. He was just being a thoughtless idiot giving the bar code a spit bath so the scanner could read it. Probably does it all the time to get the scanner to work. Normally just gross. Now possibly deadly.