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Sure. I'm bothered. Kids are some of the toughest creatures on earth. And they are precious to me. <-Another reason I don't want to see them masked if they don't need to be. If they need masking or not is a matter of opinion (and perhaps even stats, though it's been awhile since I went down that road). Me and a lot of others think not. Georgia, by itself records only 12 deaths under age 18.

In case you missed it, I left nursing after having the choice of firing or taking the H1N1 shot back in '09. So, no COVID kids for me. Your smug-point is well noted. I don't know if you've noticed, but I try and step around using pronouns when talking about issues. I do that because I like a good argument, and resorting to personal insults is boring & a rather dead end.

Good Link. Not sure what it would take (truly!). But I do know we haven't even begun to reach any kind of a threshold for me to want to mask children. Case #'s don't bother me.

Personally I don't believe kids should be masked at all. But I do believe that an MD or whoever is charged in a given duty, has a duty to follow guidelines that are spelled out and they agreed to to be licensed. If on the other hand it's a judgement call, then fine. Go with your best judgment.

For those interested in such things. . . Comirnaty.com came Online today (I was monitoring). Also, the FDA approval Doc/pdf defines all the testing required going fwd. https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

You think you/me/we got it so bad? How about the general public? Those folks are taking a beating unless they bury their heads and march to the beat of only one drum. Those folks I dearly care about. For the discerning person who doesn't mind research, it's a tough road unless you ignore certain signals. IMO we have .gov to thank for much of the root problem (and this dates back to mid 20th century). They and the media have destroyed the trust of the American populace. Now we trust that they have an agenda vice being that 4th arm of the Estate, looking sniffing and calling out BS from both political sides equally in the name of America. /derail. But back to COVID and info. I'm skeptical of the vax and it's producers and the contracts to the various .govs in the world. I keep my head grounded by following the "COVID Long Haul" Social Media pages so I can daily read what people are dealing with in their own lives, while at the same time, like you, researching left/right/to/fro. I do not ignore any of the alphabet agencies, because all data is data. I mean, ****, they even wiped the *waybackmachine* last year for one entity (I was monitoring). There may be trusted sources out there, like Alex Berenson & Brett Weinstein, but not many IMO. I need to hear clear cogent statements to get my full attention. I keep an open mind and, just trudge on amidst the horror show.

Probably. Like you, I have no idea, other than what the CDC does presently do with it. They bigger issue for me is simply why: If it was built and established to help with vaccine hesitancy during H1N1, why not now? That is assuming we agree that vaccine hesitancy is a problem. And that we 'may-agree' that having people removed from the profit chain lends credibility to the reporting process. Profit motives are all over this vaccine, from stem to stern and have been mentioned time and again by people discussing. All I ever was addressing was vaccine hesitancy and profit chain. Though I suppose this is a thread derail. thanks! https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/29/lessons-h1n1-monitoring-covid-19-vaccine-safety/

Yeah. Not. They are choosing NOT to use this for the present vaccine program, the mRNA tech. And why not? It was created to aid vaccine hesitancy and they are not using it. You provided evidence for nothing related to my premise.

Depends. If it's 2009, then you use the PRISM system specifically designed to intake and asses & report on the H1N1 vaccines problems. Created by and monitored by people outside of the profit chain. 2020-2021, "nah, we don't need no stinkin PRISM program. We have VAERS!" Gaps-> https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/covid-19/detecting-rare-blood-clots-was-win-us-vaccine-safety-system-still-has-gaps

I said, what I said. You have evidence in support of your argument? https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ Lack of publishing papers could be another reason they don't inspire confidence: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.3488 Lack of transparency hasn't helped: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n627 By Definition, these COVID vaccines are failed vaccines. Have a Great Day!

OP, I went thru this back in '09 with H1N1 and was none to happy about it. I admit I was blissfully unaware the H1N1 was such a big deal. I had taken care of at least one 3rd term-preggo gal and had worried about her and the child too, but as in SARS 03, and other things-ICU, I never gave myself much thought. So, I took their vax and left in my own time 4 Months later never to return. That vax was easier to swallow simply due to it's being in the foundational foot print of the flu vax. This mRNA tech is too new for many folks. Me included. It has somewhere between no track record and/or a poor one. It wasn't the vax that bothered me then. l It was having to make such a choice.

Never worked OR as an RN. Every other nursing job has protocols. The protocols are what protects our license. Should be protocols in place for those CST/ST's doing whatever. Or, those protocols may say it's supposed to be an RN or have such and such training. Check those. And yeah. . .pretty important. As a Nurse, you're supposed to be aware of protocols. Ergo, you'd also know if they were being ignored.

Lucky You. I encountered about the same with staff at the last facility I worked.. After mgmt made enough of a mess to cause a big turn-over what they were left with was garbage. Made worse by mgmt's acceptance. So perdiem-sneum, it ain't restricted to per diems.? This staffing thing as some have mentioned is nothing new. It's a cycle of sorts. Though that cycle will increasingly shift faster thru it's phases up/down/up/down due to one big change yet mentioned in the thread and that's the add-on of Admin jobs/time. See chart below for what I mean. I worked with top notch diploma nurses, great CNA's & good facilities here and there. Decent pay as staff and better pay as travel. I only left due to the ever increasing workload as someone mentioned without their being a balance of what was added by taking something else away. Just add, add, add. It was real obvious that mgmt was in it for itself only. Much like a parasite. The avg. good nurse who loves nursing is gonna be hard pressed to find that sterling facility to work at. I know they are out there, but I think they're getting harder to find. Lastly, when I left I went to no job. I just left.

Right, or was it iatrogenic? Doesn't matter when you need to keep basically every charge safe. Which is why I said, put 'em all on precautions. The why/where and when was beyond my post, but your points are well taken.

Actually, it's being studied right now and is ongoing. https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2666379121002032%3Fshowall%3Dtrue