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Nurses get burned out fast so maybe that's how new grads will find work...until they (the new grads) burn out. I know some nurses and nurse managers who change jobs once or twice a year because conditions are that bad. The word about working conditions, understaffing on purpose, and the nurse glut is not public knowledge yet. There is still a lot of press from hospitals and nursing schools out there about this great need or future need for hoards of nurses. See wiki's lies about how we need to graduate more and import foreign RN's etc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_shortage I tell hopeful nurses to go into the field only if they love it. It's a very hard job...if you can find a job.

Many good explanations of why I don't believe there will be a future RN shortage are on this thread: https://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/will-nursing-shortage-596791-page8.html Many RN's like myself have no money to retire on so don't count on us leaving the workforce. Also tptb will simply import ready made nurses as they have done twice before. Plus much of bedside care has become so expensive that the work is going to UAP's or becoming more automated. The few new grads hired today will be burned out and ready for a new career in 2 to 7 yrs due to the overwork forced on us by hospitals.

Yes I think the ad will encourage spiteful BON complaints by people who might not know all the facts. It seems to encourage public distrust of nurses. Maybe the National Council hasn't heard that nurse's have been voted the most trusted professionals for 11 years. It's a self-promoting ad for the ncsbn and a total waste of funds! If the National Board Of Medical Examiners or any state boards of medicine ran a ad like this the Docs would cry foul.

Exactly. Older nurses are more likely to use the added sections for notes. Not just the drop down menu. We know the importance of charting to CYA in case of law suit or in case a complaint is sent to the board of nursing.

imo some online programs who aggressively recruit and charge a fortune like UOP devalue the whole profession of nursing. I have some American military friends in Japan who tell me they can get UOP nursing degrees that are heavily subsidized by the US government. But they opted against UOP due to all the lawsuits and bad press. imo Kaplan's nursing program is is just as aggressive as UOP.

The JnJ ads run all the time in my area. "There has never been a better time to be a nurse." I know a lot of unemployed and under employed new grad RNs who would beg to differ. The over saturation of nursing programs cranking out new grad nurses here is ridiculous.

i don't have a facebook because i do not trust the lack of privacy. i know many sites collect information about you from social networking sites. google your name and you might be surprised at how much information has been collected without you knowledge or consent. spokeo, zabasearch, radaris, and intelieus all collect data about you from various sites. mylife dot com has been known to swipe photos from fb to compile unauthorized free to the public personal profiles on people with personal data such as photo, employment, addresses, relatives addresses etc. plus like ruby v i've recently worked dangerously short due to a call-in. the next day a co-worker mentioned to me that the rn who had called in sick posted about something he was doing as a facebook status. neither myself nor my co-worker told the nm but it did tick us off.

Why not offer to work free at the call center? The call center will probably accept you for free even dispite the fact that you are a highly trained RN. Problem solved, "Ralph"

Literally thousands of Filipino nurses are "willing to relocate" to the US. As you know this type of thread is supposed to be posted in the International forum. Quote allnurses "Posts pertaining to working in the US, immigration, or licensure questions specific for the US, please post it under the International Forum." I remember when Allnurses general forum was ABSOLUTELY OVERRUN by Filipino new grads and Filipino experienced nurses asking how to immigrate to the US. That's why allnurses made the rule asking that you post these questions in the international forum.

Don't expect nurses to be respected if one can't even make a coherent, concise point on allnurses. I have no clue what OP is trying to say. This thread makes no sense.

It's nice to hear that Aussie new grads have jobs. You'd have a much better chance if you got an NP degree. I've read the International section of this forum and it's sad to hear about HUGE numbers of Filipino RN's hoping and waiting to come to the US. From reading that part of this site I've gathered that there are restrictions on the number and type of foreign nurse that can work in the states.

The tight RN job market isn't just something you read about here. Talk to RN's and new grads in your area and you'll see there aren't as many jobs for RN's and the ones who have jobs are expected to do MUCH more with fewer resources and less help. My first jobs as an RN in a hospital and in a nursing home were both a cake walk compared to what hospitals and LTC's expect out of new grads today. Personally I don't see more RN jobs opening up for many years to come. My rationale? Most boomers I know CAN NOT afford to retire. What would we live on???? Our 401K's have been depleted. The cold reality I see is many boomer RN's will have to work until they are physically unable.

Agree. No medical school would teach the BS caring theory crap.

The "No" response was correct. You were wrong to sarcastically thank this honest knowlegible person for their 'compassion'. At least they took the time to answer your query with the truth. LTAC is similar to a rehab hosp but with some vents, etc. You won't even have the challenges of a fast paced tele/med/surg because the parts are 'long-term'. Therefore you have a BIG advantage b/c you know everything about their hx. (b/c they are 'long-term' stay pts you've had before you aren't thrown a lot of curve balls.) And they are stable in that their conditions are not usually expected to improve much. If you can get hired on a tele/med/surg unit you'll have ever changing pts. That's the experience you should seek. I often d/c and get 2 to 3 new admits out of my total load of 7 pts/per shift. I'm challenged daily b/c they aren't long-term, every shift has new pts with new problems I must assess quickly. After 6 mos in tele/med/surg you'll be able apply for a spot in ICU at the hospital. Several previous RN's on my unit have gone that route and then on to apply to NA school.

I'd have to write a book in order to tell how many times I've seen hosptials pull that one. Short staff the nurses-mistake is made-hosp admin has all the power and access to all documentation-RN takes the fall. That's the reason 3 experienced RN's I knew quit nursing completely--dangerous staffing. When they thought they'd be backed by their long time hospital they were scapegoated. Nuff said.

Personally I think the shortage exists partially because of cost cutting (greedy) practices by hospital CEO's. For years they have short staff instead of filling holes with agency. And they have not improved working conditions for nurse and patient safety. Retention of experienced staff, pay for nursing instructors and educational opportunities for the many bright American LPN's to become RN's is the answer. This is going to sound incredibly mean but I ABSOLUTELY believe when hospitals were allowed to import massive numbers of foreign nurses they used that as a bargaining chip against us.--A cheap way out of the need to improve conditions for American nurses. Some foreign nursing schools are now ripping off their own by training in 'third world' medical conditions with vague implications that they can still move to the US when licensed. I hope we never go back to importing over training and retaining our homegrown talent. In my opinion the answer to the shortage is pay instructors what they are worth so we'll have more who are willing to teach. That will open up more slots in nursing schools. And retain the experienced RN's who are still working by paying more for their invaluable knowledge.

tweety, i've always enjoyed your posts and trust you information. what you said here really worries me because i always felt that not accepting an unsafe assignment was my only recourse. a safety net for my patients as well as my very livelihood (meaning my license). since i don't know how unsafe the assignment is until i walk in the door this news is enough to drive me out of nursing. i've had several hospitals try to assign 10 ortho pts per nurse on noc with only 1 cna for the whole floor. (no ward clerk and and the charge nurse had to accept a full pt load of 10.) one night when they split a census of 21 between myself and another rn we had a 2 cna's but one (the better cna was pulled by the house supervisor to tele). that left me and the charge with 21 pts and a cna that was in her late 60's and very hard of hearing. two hrs into my shift, as i was running around an swing lights, giving meds, hanging blood and 3 doing enemas, i walked into one of my pts rooms and found him dead. he apparently had panicked or become disoriented and pulled off the 02 mask - he was wearing the 02 mask on his head when i found him dead. he on 100% non re breather mask and no one told me he was desatting into the 70's without the mask. he was way too sick to be on a med/surg/ortho floor but because i was so overwhelmed with work i didn't get a chance to call the doctor who had visited him on day shift and decided he was safe and didn't require icu admit. that was 10 yrs ago and i have never stooped thinking that i should have done more for that man. thinking of that night makes me sick inside. but how could i be in the room when he needed me and how could i have fought the nursing house supervisor or the md who didn't want to transfer him when i had 11 other pts calling for me????? not accepting the assignment has been a tactic i've used a few times when i knew someone could be at risk of dying from the hospitals practice of short (meaning cheap) staffing. if just walking onto the floor means i've accepted their cheap staffing then i have no safety net for my pt's or my license.

I've always loved the allnurses mods and staff but I feel compelled to put my 2 cents in here. I really wish this thread hadn't been moved from the general forum to a forum that doesn't have a prominent tab or frequent visitors. Most users of allnurses check the general forum frequently but don't scroll down top the other less popular forums. In my opinion unsafe staffing is THE MAIN CAUSE of the nursing shortage. imho I feel it would have been better to leave this thread where it would be seen by more and garner more comments. -- The forum for general nursing posting.

Quote op "is it detrimental to my job as an RN if I am also stripping on the side for additional money? Can I be fired for this?" Yes if your hospital found out it could easily be detrimental to your job. Despite the fact that stripping is completely legal. To avoid a suit the hospital would only need to find 1 minor infraction or error and cite that as the 'reason' for the dismissal. It's naive to think that "it's a free country and I can do whatever I want on MY free time." From my experience that's NOT always true if you hold a professional license. SADLY we are often held to a different standard than other employees. There was a teacher recently in the news who lost her job when photos of her at a wet t-shirt contest in Cancun were sent to the school's admin. She was on her 'free' time and there was nothing remotely illegal about what she did. She sued the school board for her job and back pay but lost. If you need the fast cash/tip money from stripping then tell no one in the hospital of this other job....I kinda like the idea another poster had...wear a mask when you strip.

I'm glad to hear some BONs aren't so quick to offer the peer programs. My state is still big on 'protecting' and hiding what these nurses have done. Once they make it through the program they can practice again and no one ever knows because there is no "black mark", not a single mention of adverse disciplinary action on their license and no criminal record. 9 yrs ago I had the misfortune of working with a charismatic nurse I'll call Joe. His behavior was nothing less than criminal and cruel. Many of his pts never got their pain meds and his focus on feeding his habit caused him to make lots of mistakes in his nursing practice. Joe was allowed in the peer program my BON has. Then he was caught using during his program but was allowed to restart. When he finished his license was free and clear, not even a mention of his multiple mistakes due to sloppy nursing practice, not even a misdemeanor on his criminal record. He got a job in the ER of a different hospital in a nearby town I had moved to. A yr later he was caught diverting again. My issue with this is the unfairness present when non diverters, nurses who don't steal and aren't addicted get reported to the BON for mistakes or complaints against their licenses...They often get a permanent record of disciplinary action with state BON and National Data Bank. No alternate to disciplinary action is offered to these nurses simply because they didn't steal drugs. But the nursing practice mistakes/errors they were reported for are often similar to the errors Joe made when his addiction started to affect his nursing judgement. So it's like the BON's are rewarding nurses who make become sloppy or make errors in their practice as long as they're also addicts.... The other sober nurses who happen to make mistakes get no such protection. So when dealing with the BON it really pays to be an addict. I know many will think I'm being unsympathetic to nurse addicts...But this is my personal opinion and it comes from an awful, harrowing and lengthy experience my friends husband had with my state's BON. He was an RN with a perfect employment/career record and no pt complaints after 18 yrs of working ifull time in 3 different ER's. Then he was reported to the BON by an newbie nurse for "being too rough" with a pt. This is second hand info because I wasn't there during all of the confusion that night but by many reports this pt was on PCP, dangerously violent, and hitting any staff that came near him. GF's hubby said he stepped in and put himself in harm's way only to hold the man down for a few minutes in an effort to keep his coworkers safe. Since GF's hubby has no history of complains or any type of physical abuse/problems with anger management I'm inclined to believe him. Plus he's not exactly a tough body builder type at 5'8 and 140 lbs. He felt like he was doing what needed to be done for everyone's protection, even the pt. In any event, GF's hubby thought that since the newbie nurse who reported him to the BON had never seen a situation with a violent PCP pt in the ER, maybe she misread the situation. He thinks that when stepped in and put himself in harms way to hold the pt down for the safety of the staff, she interpreted it as roughness and possibly felt it was her duty to report initiate a BON complaint. Long story short, he wasn't offered a peer program, or a way to come out of it with a license that is 'totally free and clear' the way so many nurses who steal narcotics from pts and make mistakes/errors at work during their active addiction are. According to GF(who is also an RN) they had to spend 15k in legal fees to keep his license but he now has a record of disciplinary action with the BON and National Data Bank that will follow him everywhere he goes, forever. From GF's hubby's experience it just seems like an unfair difference in the way BON's opperate. One nurse gets a permant national record while the addict goes though a proogram and gets out with a spotless record (with both the BON and criminal justice system). Future employers will never know of mistakes the made.

My .02, save your money. The ANA is a powerless joke, they have done nothing to improve working conditions for staff/bedside nurses.

lol @ job hopping comment. One particularly bad yr I submitted three W-2 forms with my taxes. Some in my family think I'm nuts for changing jobs so often. They don't believe that lots of nurses have trouble finding a good fit with a bearable level of stress. I'd love to find a job I can handle and still have adequate energy for social/family/community aspects of life. Then I'd be able to keep that job until I retire.