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NRSKarenRN said:

RSV, Rotovirus, Hep B, meningitis all should be given + yearly flu.

Had to deal with Chicken pox and measles as Summer camp RN with very sick campers not fun, add in keeping them entertained, up at night for temp checks + meds when immunization could have prevented it. Pediatrician no longer permitted those without 2 doses MMR at camp after this. Children immunocompromised of course get adjusted vax schedule.

If vaccines not recommended by CDC/government then insurance companies won't approve payment.

2026 AAP Immunization Schedule

https://publications.aap.org/redbook/resources/15585/AAP-Immunization-Schedule?autologincheck=redirected

Nothing changed in regards to MMR and varicella recommends. Can't bl

NRSKarenRN said:

RSV, Rotovirus, Hep B, meningitis all should be given + yearly flu.

Had to deal with Chicken pox and measles as Summer camp RN with very sick campers not fun, add in keeping them entertained, up at night for temp checks + meds when immunization could have prevented it. Pediatrician no longer permitted those without 2 doses MMR at camp after this. Children immunocompromised of course get adjusted vax schedule.

If vaccines not recommended by CDC/government then insurance companies won't approve payment.

2026 AAP Immunization Schedule

https://publications.aap.org/redbook/resources/15585/AAP-Immunization-Schedule?autologincheck=redirected

MMR and varicella guidelines didn't change. So your camp story is irrelevant. When was that, anyway? Recently?

What insurance companies will pay for is also irrelevant as to determining if a child needs a vaccine.

What is relevant is what the American Academy of Pediatrics says. It would have better if you started there and would have given some credibility to your first post.

NRSKarenRN said:

Check out the latest Presidential Executive Order regarding immunizations:

Order recommends children receive immunizations for 11 diseases, fewer than the 18 current Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines; ends recommendation that all minors receive the COVID-19 vaccine; effort to give parents more freedom to choose which shots their children take, and changed timeline.

Parents have had control over immunization schedule since 1986 when Vaccine information sheets required to be given prior to vaccination. I worked with my 1985 kids Pediatrician last 2 years ago at their Summer camp, discussed increased in parents delaying immunization as I had to give several kids vaccines in order to attend camp.

DELIVERING GOLD STANDARD CHILDHOOD VACCINE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AMERICANS

When it fits their agenda, liberals often compare life expectancy, crime, happiness, etc. rates of the US vs other countries.

I'm curious as to how our child vaccine schedule compares to others. You sound like you have some expertise on the subject. Maybe you know?

NRSKarenRN said:

Last Summer camp RN work was 2 years ago... AAP = American Academy of Pediatrics link posted after President Trumps E.O to offer professional advice counterpoint.

Philadelphia Inquirer 8/10/26

Measles cases in Pennsylvania top 200 as experts worry about back-to-school spread

Pennsylvania parents will soon have easy access to school-level vaccination data to see measles risk

Again, MMR guidelines didn't change. You do know the M in MMR stands for measles, right?

Yes, I do know about the AAP statement. It was after your post, too. So, it appears your disagreement was more about Trump than science.

Beerman said:

What insurance companies will pay for is also irrelevant as to determining if a child needs a vaccine.

But totally relevant to parents who can't afford vaccines.

As somebody who as an adult had both measles and chicken pox (followed years later by an attack of shingles), and all three were nasty, and who worked for years in Infectious Diseases and saw some absolutely horrific preventable scenarios, I can't understand any government that would not actively encourage the most comprehensive vaccine programme possible.

If I were an American parent, I think I'd trust the advice of the CDC before I trusted the word of Trump.

I remember the US once being held up as a shining example for having basically eradicated measles. And you've lost that status. Not just sad, but tragic.

DavidFR said:

But totally relevant to parents who can't afford vaccines.

As somebody who as an adult had both measles and chicken pox (followed years later by an attack of shingles), and all three were nasty, and who worked for years in Infectious Diseases and saw some absolutely horrific preventable scenarios, I can't understand any government that would not actively encourage the most comprehensive vaccine programme possible.

If I were an American parent, I think I'd trust the advice of the CDC before I trusted the word of Trump.

I remember the US once being held up as a shining example for having basically eradicated measles. And you've lost that status. Not just sad, but tragic.

The antivax movement thst led to the comeback of measles predates Trump.

You'll have to remind me what the school vaccine requirements are in England?

Hopefully parents trust their pediatrician more than Trump or the CDC.

I need a shingles vax. Thank you for the reminder.

True, anti-vaxxers have been around for a long time. Benjamin Franklin was anti-vax up until his 4 year old son died of smallpox.

https://time.com/6112455/benjamin-franklin-children-vaccines-history/

I used to work in local public health and reviewed vax records for newly immigrated kids. Most of them were up to date, although many had had measles alone as the first dose, followed by MMR, and most had live polio vaccine with only 2 strains, so needed a booster with 3.

I remember a little fellow from Australia who had had meningicoccal vax at a young age, unlike the US when it is given in adolescence. An most kids outside of the US and Western Europe have had BCG.

The president wants to split up MMR into 3 vaccines, which isn't available in the US. This means extra visits for separate shots, which can be a challenge for working parents to take that much time for visits. The second dose is given just prior to kindergarten, leaving those kids traumatized by multiple shots. That was my least favorite age to inoculate, because they were so resistant and tearful.

I agree, listen to your pediatrician and get your Shingrex shot.

Trump has decided that he knows more than the Navy and has ordered the electromagnetic catapults on aircraft carriers be replaced with steam powered ones. This article is was originally published by AP, but I hope being reprinted by Military.com gives it some imprimatur.

https://www.military.com/trump-orders-the-navy-to-return-to-an-older-system-of-launching-jets-off-aircraft-carriers

I can't believe the White House staff is letting this go forward.

GrumpyRN said:

Seriously, why is he still in office? He is stupid, ignorant and a liar.

In any other democracy he would be long gone.

How exactly do you think this could be done?

Beerman said:

The antivax movement thst led to the comeback of measles predates Trump.

You'll have to remind me what the school vaccine requirements are in England?

Hopefully parents trust their pediatrician more than Trump or the CDC.

I need a shingles vax. Thank you for the reminder.

I didn't claim that Trump invented the anti-vax movement. Anti-vaxers were already active, however I don't think Trump and his administration are being helpful in preventing misery and death from preventable infectious diseases.

I haven't lived in England for over 25 years so am unfamiliar with the current requirements. Try asking a current resident of England.

In France there are now 13 obligatory vaccinations, updated from 11 last year, so the standard 11 plus Meningococcal B and and new combined Meningococcal A, C, W and Y. Every French citizen has a "carnet de vaccination" which documents your vaccination record. A French head teacher will refuse your child's admission to school without an up to date carnet de vaccination. Since education is compulsory in France from nursey education at age 3 to high school ending at 18, the only way to avoid vaccinating your child is to home school. Very few French parents choose this route. Most French citizens accept these rules as a valid public health measure. The sense of "communité" and "solidarité" is very strong here - years of socialist government under Mitterrand instilled a very healthy 'for the common good" attitude which despite successive governments of all colours, has largely prevailed. I like that.

Hope all goes well with your shingles vaccine.

chare said:

How exactly do you think this could be done?

In many democracies there is the possibility for an elected member of government to propose a vote of no confidence. If a majority of elected representatives votes in favour, then the sitting prime minister/president/whoever head of government is democratically removed, very often provoking a general election. This possibility exists in most European countries. It does require however, elected representatives with integrity and guts, who will put the interests of the country above their own political careers.

Sadly for you guys, even if this possibility exists in the US, Trump's track record of accepting he is no longer the president is not great.