MacNinni123

I bet the nurse questioning degee preference for supervisorship is a brand, spanking new BSN. What do you bet? I'll never forget when I was in my ADN nursing program many...many...moons ago, I went for one of my clinicals and discovered the two supervising nurses on the postpartum floor were both LPNs, They were, with out a doubt, the BEST supervisors I EVER worked under. Both had worked that floor for 30 years and knew everything there was to know about their specialty. Experience, OP, is what counts. To begin with, LPNs get far more of it right from the get go while in school. The rest of us too often get it by baptism by fire...especially the higher the degree grade. The higher the degree, the more time is spent in class...not at the bedside. And, when one gets to begin their hospital career, too often they find their "mentor" is just too darn busy to help much. Never underestimate the knowledge of the LPN, ADN, and on up. Pay attention to their experiences.

IF Ms. Vaught is truly "a passionate advocate for safety and improvement," why does she not spend her time doing just that, for free, telling her story, making her mistakes known, fighting for safe warning and placement of meds by pharmacies, etc., instead of attempting to regain licensure. I can't imagine why ...after causing the death of a patient...anyone would want to practice again.

Good for you! It does not change the fact that nursing and telephone operating are female-dominated professions...right? But, it would be interesting to know if you have run into other male nurses who can be as spiteful as women can. I do not know why it is...but it is. Especially with the nurses who move into administration. I loved nursing...I loved the patients, and I worked with many wonderful, giving, caring nurses...female and male. However, the situation we speak of exists...and it exists in female-dominated workplaces.

RN Summer Seas makes an excellent observation. Unfortunately, what she says is true. However, again unfortunately, it is not just nursing in which this occurs. Many, many years ago...before I became a nurse...I was a telephone operator...another female dominated field. The atmosphere was the same. Women do this to each other...why? I do not know.

I agree...my point exactly. Otherwise there IS time to follow the safety rule.

Yes...and if it must be that quick...we have crash carts...

The solution is to take all the steps necessary to assure the safety of the patient,

Several years ago, we had a fire at out facility and all patients in that area were moved to an armory where we practiced MASH nursing for a couple of weeks. No problem.

Not where I practiced ...from Maine to Florida...if over-ride was necessary, one picked up the phone, called pharmacy, and did it together.

I never disagreed with anyone. I simply said the information I received was not enough to base a decision upon.

Wow! I simply posted on what All Nurses presented in its email to me...and clearly said so.

To Klone and any others who wondered what happene-rid to me. I'm still here...but gave up trying to explain myself once I realized no one was paying attention to what I said. Once more...I read ONLY the email from All Nurses giving the background to the story...which did NOT include all the rest of the stuff ad nauseum (as it was described). And, yes ad nauseum has been overused, too. I simply said that the error was egregious...someone died. However, from what I read which is ONLY what All Nurses included in my email...there wasn't enough info to make a decision. As far as the over-ride issue...yes they may be done but ONLY in sync with the pharmacy. The impression I have from recent comments is that is not the case. I don't KNOW whether she should get her license back from what info I have read. I am way up here in Maine...nowhere near where all this occurred. I have not seen the reams of info spoken of here. That is all folks!

The fact that she didn't read the label is another piece of info missing from the All Nurses query I see.

So, the meds were allowed to be pulled "the wrong way." Enough said.

There may be a lot of information of which you are aware, and that you may have written of before, but I am only seeing the question and background offered within an All Nurses query. I see nothing about Vaught's background, nor do I see that hospital policy required observation after the med was given. To the contrary, all I have seen is a remark that the hospital does NOT require observation. I see that over-ride is allowed by nurses, which it should not be. Only pharmacists should be allowed to do that. Therefore, from my perspective, there is not enough information to make a decision on Vaught's ability to regain her license.