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I would encourage someone in my place, because it's difficult to find a job, and it's difficult to keep a job in many areas except nursing. One is not paid as would be in a private comp. doing some other task, but one always will have a job. (Not to mention how many satisfactions on human level one is expected to face being a nurse). Even though, I would probably do not do the same under a better context.

My actual job is at Sardá Hospital en Bs. As, although in the NICU, I can see mostly male nurses working in obstetrics. Most of the time without Md's, the same at delivery room. Necessity creates by it self a wider way of approaching health.

Dear coo. I don’t know what are you talking about. The world main tendency is to employ mail nurses. You know why, because we don’t get pregnant, and we are most ready to stay on a full time work than female nurses. My latest boss was a male BSN and he preferred men than women nurses because they are less conflictive. I’m working at the main motherhood of my country (Sarda Hospital) and find the same thing. My actual boss and supervisors are all women nevertheless they do not want women nurses for the same subject. Well the question is… what are you going to do if you have a staff of 20 male nurses and no female one? Would you send the patient to another hospital?

Yep! I do the same, sometimes using a plastic bag, instead of a cleaned diaper. I have many happy moments that keep me up after all. “Eye contact” is one of the most. Sometimes “skin contact”, while embracing a baby on my chest holding her/his head against my neck, making him calm down. But “eye contact” being closer than twenty centimeters for few sec’s, is a silent, magical, meaningful moment.

:trout: Hi! Life is quite like everywhere for nurses. I'm a BSN from 2001 and close to my 50. In 2004 continued with neonatology for another year. Jraul, I identify myself with your words. Of course I agree 100% with you and add my good thougts for akanarn

OK Kalico, Probably you might not be interested in a far foreigner nurse-opinion, but because I belong to a less structured health system than yours, it could let you enrich your mind with far foreigner experiences as well as yours, of course. When I was finishing my 3rd nursing (RN) I asked for permission for staying my complete practicing in the nicu. People in that NICU (Mar del Plata/Bs.As./ Argentinean Hospital, "HIEMI"), noticed my natural affinity with neonates and they make me do everything, including IV's with premature and sick newborns. Our HPC MdP Hospital was visited for a Nurse Doctor and a BSN, belonging to a Californian Nursing Board. We were close to make an exchange with a Californian University Nursing School, but finally nothing happened. In my 13th years of nursing I've met hundred of nurses of different ages and levels of preparation. Believe me! Not everything is for every one. I'd said it is hard to start with the NICU or the ICU without previous experience in lower levels. Someone else could say "just do it"! We are not the same. We are not all equal. You might like babies and not have hand mastery or ability. You might be a peace of ice genius, and you might be a normal nurse as well. To be honest and objective, I'd said "there is not a recipe". Your may find it by your self, and it will take time... I believe strongly that there is an internal conviction about our powers. If you feel that, don't hear anyone... Just do it! Continue, because jalousie and competition will always stand against you on your way. If you feel that you are not able, just run away! , because you're not handling things but babies... Experience a dead pt baby on your hands and responsibility. Experience her or his parents grieve after her/his dead. And afterwards you will understand what you are working with. There is more than IV's, more... Did you get it? It is not only the question of IV's what matters. There is much more. Got it? Have a kiss! Emilio.

I'm not doing nicu since 2005, 11th months ago, but ER instead. Anyway I've to assist neonates, not so often as before but still on it. We do not have a transilluminator. Only big Hospitals do. And I use a 24´s for IV's and a 15/5 (don't know how you call it?) with a 1 ml syringe for radial artery. My co's of the nicu use a 25's butterfly working by pair. I'm always alone! And always ask moms for help, sometimes fathers as well, but not all of them support the situation. It works much better. I can teach them while performing my job. On such situations they are much more receptive. Probably it sounds useless if you work at big Hospital, but if you belong to a small rural area it can be of some help. Kisses and hugs from Buenos Aires. Emilio:rotfl:

Well, second post on that thread. I must rectified cause I'm being paid double from my last post. "He are Heros" nobody wants to work at our ER. Nurses are afraid! Yes! I feel valued!!! :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

It seems we'll continue making firewood of this fallen tree...by the way I've been in many operating rooms having to support the real stupidity of many guys of the team, pondering the nice teats or beautiful Venus mount of same lady pt. In health there is an old proverb that says: MD's choice their skill according with their own mental pathology. It sounds a little severe, but one arrives to the conclusion that some really DO. I DO NOT want to enter in details, because it wouldn't be ethic, but I agree with you. In Bs. As. We've a crushing statistics related male MD's infidelity and matrimonial failure. Don't know other places' statistics. This world is overwhelming populated for billions of women and men. There are inexhaustible opportunities of exchanging sexual energy with whoever one wish to... wherever!! There is not logic explanation, if one wants to have sex just go out, dance, beach, a pub, etc. It seems that an ER or an operating theater is not the best place to do that. Again... something insane must move inside some minds like a nasty worm. It's a shame but a part of human reality. We can't do nothing about it except discussing the subject. After all we must not loose objectivity... we all do live in a crazy world, don't we? At last, one must do ones duty without caring about other's behaviour. I'm sorry if I sound sometimes a beat temperamental. The oldest of you know that ours is not an easy profession. We do not have a Walt Whitman or a Florence Nightingale. Even more our first University's Nursing Director was an American Navy Nurse of the UNR, where I belong to. Not many Argentinean nurses know that but many did read Whitman at least once. My heart is with all of you and always will be. Emilio from Buenos Aires.

One of the things that surprise me about the world of nursing is how fast things are changing. This might be my third or fourth post about this thread from the very beginning. Probably still narrow minded, not understanding why we continue with this discussion, but sensitive enough to the fact that befalls daily at our ER. After two years of participating in deliveries, doing Neo, Rooming in, obstetrics and ER, I arrived to a dead point with my chief and after beginning a formal relationship with a divorced-mom of three daughters-med of my ER, I asked to be transferred to it permanently. Probably it's hard for you to get an idea about a small maternity-hospital of one of the small richest cities of my country. I'm a BSN, twice RN, and two years of Paramedic. After 10 PM we do not have stretcher bearers, and I or my replacement, have to assist one orthopedic surgeon, one neo/ped, one clinical and sometimes one plastic surgeon... and everything else. Sometimes I have to start CPR alone. Two weeks ago I had to receive a 22 weeks old fetus, from an 18 years old mom, second pregnancy, because my surgeon leaved me alone, and the midwife was occupied with a potential caesarean. Besides, the obstetric didn't want to come down because gynecologists never help during emergencies and he pretended the 'gyneco' taking care of the situation. Of course the baby died. I have to ask the pt's mother to help me to take her pants out and I deed the delivery on a small stretcher alone, contained that girl as much as I could. I wrapped the baby with a green compress and brought it to the obstetric, second floor, in my hands with my best gaze of hate. Afterwards I talked with my supervisor and she encouraged me to start a legal issue, demanding a sanction for all of them. Of course I didn't do anything except enduring my own pain for few days. That night we've only two women, the midwife and the supervisor, the rest of us, nurses and meds were all men. Do you understand that? My former co was accused of abusing from a pt at the ER during an EKG performance, and obliged to quit. It happens everywhere, not only in USA. One has to do what one has to do... which is exactly what one has to do... because one must...

Shall I whish a happy new year to every one? I just love you co-friends wherever you work, LA or Pekin. I work in a private maternity and for my surprise after asking for job in our main Public National Maternity (Sarda Hospital of Buenos Aires) I new that at the delivery room work only male nurses. Why? Is it necessary to answer? As my boss said. “Ladies create so much trouble. I prefer male nurses”. (Said my male boss, but fore my surprise the nurse coordinator or the Sarda Hospital is an old Lady that thinks exactly the same…) Maleness? ….. as I posted before, one has to be very sick to let his libido express after treating a pregnant pt or whatever sick woman! I wonder why this thread is lasting so much? Of course there exist a male-sexual-abuse. Wherever in this piece of S……..F……. world. But, I don’t have statistics about that in our profession. Do you? Please, this world is bleeding… and we are meant to stop it, or at least to help it. Male or female. Vemiliob from Bs. As.

Hi! onconurseRT, don't be sad! I had a co, wife of a military Argentinean army man, born on same date as UKnurse, who I think it is also a military's wife in London. What are you asking for? Just to be a nurse means a lot enough. Hard to bear. It does not matter what your husband does. What matters is what you do. If you do it well you'll valuated where ever you are. Don't self pity, because you're not the only one. Your heart makes the difference. Do you like the word "Karma"? I don't understand really what it means, I prefer the expression "to do our duty"... Why? "Because you must..." God bless you! Vemliob

What can I say guys? Should I lie? I'm not paid according to my skill, but every single one around me recognizes my proficiency. My boss called me from home, asking me "please not to leave", after my wife (a Med of my ER) quitted because she found a better paid job. Pts seek me, Meds seek me. My partners come to ER asking me for help or advice. A very Zen point of view related to martial arts is: "at the beginning a punch is a punch and a kick is just a kick". (Refer to ignorance). On second step "a punch becomes a thing and a kick must be according to such form". (Refer to technicality). At the end of the way a punch becomes a punch and a kick just a kick. (Refer to mastery). So is the way of Nursing... at the end we're just... Nurses, human beings, helpers, supporters... Dust on the wind... Vemiliob from Bs.As.

I believe this must come too late. Provably not important by itself, but necessary to hold on my connection to allnurses.com, so I give you this. I've been working in two huge hospitals, three clinics, and an ambulance system as paramedic as well. I heard ghost-stories everywhere. Anyway I guess the most relevant are the latest ones. We have a ghost on our third flour called "the blond of the third" she used to dress herself as a nurse and perform nursing duties. The most relevant aspect of "the blond" is that no nurse or doctor has ever seen her but our patients. Generally, they use to say something like: "The blond nurse has told me..." or "few minutes ago a blond nurse gave me my medication". Some related that she has no legs, I mean; she floats on the air and so on. I don't know what you would think about it. Anyone of us did pay much attention to it. No one got in panic. Just heard the repeated stories from our patients one and another time without adding much anxiety. These things might happen, specially where people die every day. It means nothing anyway. Just a tale to tell. Nothing will change our reality, our daily affairs. Our miseries. We joke about it but don't pay to that much credit. We're nurses, busy and tired to give such things much energy.

This subject is getting far away than one could expect. Right now, I don't think Nurses are given such a bad Rap. We're getting better status. Probably we need more recognition yet. However, Doctors are suffering a lack of recognition in relation to past times. This phenomenon creates a certain balance on the public's point of view. Nevertheless, we cannot compare ourselves with Medics. Different careers, different rolls, different functions, and shorter time training. We are not medics, as though we are not better than medics....we are Nurses.... just Nurses.... :Melody: :Melody:

Originally Posted by stevielynn Me too . . I work in a small rural hospital and do OB, PP, ER, OR, med/surg, etc. ER and OB are different but the sense of needing to work fast and think on your feet (crowning babe and chest pain) are the same. steph ======================================================= I'm working at small private hospital of a local fashion-city. (Mostly wealthy people) ER, NICU, Med/Surge, Peds, DR, Rooming-in, Obstetrics, and so on. After two years I continue thinking on it as a kind of madness. (To have a pneumonia of 75 in one room and a mom with a newborn next). My first reaction was to resign, as many of my co's did. I can't say I've accustomed to it now, but facing it with a wider mind. "Always trained to pass your NCLEX!" :Melody: :angryfire

I assisted a normal delivery of a big mother (non diabetic by the way) having a 5.700 grams baby. The neo/coordinator wanted to handle him in the rooming in. I said "shall I put this baby in the transport incubator and bring him to the nicu doc?" After a while he said... OK do it. This baby stayed about 30 days in the nicu afterwards. My coos of the NICU refer to have assisted a son of a diabetic mother of 7.300 gr. Few years ago, who died accidentally some months later as a result of a mother's distraction in a bath tube. :balloons: :rotfl:

:Melody: As it was said before, there is plenty of room for all of us in our profession. For some people time is a process of ageing, for others a process of maturation. It is your heart that makes the difference. I became a RN at my 40's and finished my BSN at my 44. Whatever you decide to do, don't push yourself too hard against others. Don't be competitive! You don't have to demonstrate nothing. The question is always "how far can one get on one's own way? Instead of minding how far did others get". Things are changing in this world. As I look around I see nurses passing their 60's. People live longer. Old patterns about age have to be removed. I do not wish you good luck, just be yourself. It is what this world needs! :balloons:

I do not know, how I look like, but people call me "doctor", at the NICU, Rooming in or the ER. I used to ask them "have you seen any doctor making your bed or feeding your baby any time?" But they always answer me "you look like a doctor". Really I can't say why. On the other hand we have too few size twelve nurses (male or female), even those aged ones. Now, long time ago I posted my thread about that subject but I didn't get quorum. Probably it was too long or too confused. What I tried to express that time was the responsibility of the media around the image nurses have for public in general around the world. "The fatty black nurse". Yea! you would show me many exceptions at the media. But we all have an ancient tradition of bad propaganda in relation to our image. Everybody can think that this subject has no direct relation to everybody's life but that is a mistake because, "SALARY has a DIRECT Relation to STATUS. And it is not only a question of appearing hairy or fatty, but the whole implication instead. Ok guys this too long any way! Merry Xmas to all of you, fatty or thin I send you my love!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I just went through my finals in neonatology at our main Pediatric Hospital (Dr. Garraham) I remember one of the last classes related to newborn with deformities, given by a chief plastic surgeon. I work in a private institution at the NICU, delivery room and rooming in. The hardest I've seen was a cleft lip in a very wealthy family. Our main peds hosp. it is quite different. It is a public hospital. It receives everything from every where by plane, helicopter or ambulance. Whatever that can't be work out somewhere else comes to it. You have no idea of what can be seen in such a place. I would not put God as a buffer between our negligence and our deeds. There are things to be done and things to avoid, like folic acid and teratogenics, obstetric echographies and so on. There is no posture to stand on. We must remain non judgemental and do our job, if we want to remain healthy. Our job is also to teach, to inform in order to avoid such disgraces.

I just went through my finals in neonatology at our main Pediatric Hospital (Dr. Garraham) I remember one of the last classes related to newborn with deformities, given by a chief plastic surgeon. I work in a private institution at the NICU, delivery room and rooming in. The hardest I've seen was a cleft lip in a very wealthy family. Our main peds hosp. it is quite different. It is a public hospital. It receives everything from every where by plane, helicopter or ambulance. Whatever that can't be work out somewhere else comes to it. You have no idea of what can be seen in such a place. I would not put God as a buffer between our negligence and our deeds. There are things to be done and things to avoid, like folic acid and teratogenics, obstetric echographies and so on. There is no posture to stand on. We must remain non judgemental and do our job, if we want to remain healthy. Our job is also to teach, to inform in order to avoid such disgraces.

I enjoy doing exactly what I do, when I am allowed to work in freedom. When I am free to follow my heart, which not always advise me to follow the easy road. At the end we are nothing... but nurses.

I found that we, Nurses, suffer a lack of ethics. We're prone to gossip. We're so competitive that we could conclude that for a Nurse there is nothing worst than another Nurse. I think we should be taught to respect one another as professionals, as coo of a tremendous emotional and suffered profession as we have. We should be taught not to judge one another. We should be taught the ability of placing ourselves in the skin of others before to elaborate any judgement before jumping on the professional sand. The hate to the other is our fate.txt

Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I love all you guys who beg off doing female peri-related care (be it IDC insertion, exams or hygeine) on the grounds that it'll influence your libido! I'm not having a go (well, not much!), but it does seem to reinforce the cultural stereotype that sex for women is about personality and sex for men is about appearance". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- KOL! there are many things more than appearance. i.e., a woman's permission or woman's meta messages, as extraordinarily rare happens on ER's (at least in our ER's). A pretty beautiful lady in the state of pain (physical or psychological) is a pt, a human being on suffering, and "that's not attractive for any sane libido". Could say the same about a pregnant woman, a bleeding-exposed fracture, or any sort of that. In our Maternity all normal deliveries go to what we call "Rooming" That means: mother, father and child together in one room during 36 to 48 hours. My job goes from receiving the child to, assessing and teaching them during that time. I teach suckling, not in a classroom but in a patient-unit, with a real teat, a real mother and a real neonate. Many times each night shift. There is no libido but, affection, compassion, tenderness, and a huge gratitude to life for allowing me to add my little help instead.

We will not start a discussion on the issue male versus female Nurse again. I don't think this is the point of this thread. When I was student I used to leave the operation room where I was designed to observe to jump in one of the delivery rooms wherever a partum was going on. I'll never forget the first childbirth I witnessed, "everything appeared so warm, so human..." I had two male co's, the three were in our 30's, the three go so comfortable on that area, so natural. A Nurse is a Nurse, is a Nurse is a Nurse...