Phasing out LPN's.

:) Yes, actually there is more to Rn than Lpn, it is education-wise. Do not get me wrong, Lpn's or Lvn's are very smart and good nurses, but the difference is more education. More courses. Also RN's get taught IV skills and a few other things in clinicals. More indepth on why diseases affect people the way they do. More on Care planning. More on management skills, etc. Just like there are more courses to get a BSN opposed to an ADN or more for a Masters or Doctorate degree. So, yes, it is all more education. You will see what I mean when you get started in your RN courses. We all make choices, some want the Lpn, some want the RN. I chose RN because I know there is a pay difference. Honestly. If you are a young person, I suggest you either go all the way for a BSN or Masters or Doctorate or for becoming a doctor. After all, the time has to go somewhere, may as well go in your pocket toward a great degree! I am only an ADN RN, but wish I had went on for at least the BSN. God bless you in your studies.

You could still get your BSN if you really want to. There are MANY MANY good accredited colleges offering them online now. It is never too late. Trust me I am a 31 yr old highschool drop out who is finally nearing the end of pre-requs and going for gold (masters degree) if I can do it with 4 kids and a under 10 anyone can do it. No matter the age. Just my $ 0.02 worth

CMAs are being used in KY as well to pass meds. The rate of pay is approx $10 per hour. Of course in my present situation, I may have to spend 2 years as a CMA or even a CNA so I can continue working in my field until I can my RN license active.

However, the small hospital i worked in for 2+ years were phasing out LPNs for they saw no need for them. The same is with OP dialysis. The sad part is the RNs in this area are in total agreement with this action :)

The only way to change the business is to hit them where it hurts. Stop allowing yourself to get into situations wherein you are responsible for unliscensed personelle passing meds.

I was an LPN for 15 years before I went back to school and there were also rumors about assosciate degree RN's being called Technical Nurses vs BS RN's as Professional Nurses. I don't think there is any worry about phasing out LPN's, especially in light of the nursing shortage. I do worry that UAP's etc are passing meds. LPN's are still nurses!

There are unlicensed people passing meds in Assisted living, MH/MR group homes...they are not being properly trained to know about side effects and when should their clients go to the emergency room...it's a mess!

I was an LPN for 15 years before I went back to school and there were also rumors about assosciate degree RN's being called Technical Nurses vs BS RN's as Professional Nurses. I don't think there is any worry about phasing out LPN's, especially in light of the nursing shortage. I do worry that UAP's etc are passing meds. LPN's are still nurses!

In Philadelphia, there are so many oppurtunites for LPN's in acute care, doctor's offices, as well as in LTC...I'm graduating in February, so it's a Wonderful time to be a LPN!

CMAs are being used in KY as well to pass meds. The rate of pay is approx $10 per hour. Of course in my present situation, I may have to spend 2 years as a CMA or even a CNA so I can continue working in my field until I can my RN license active.

However, the small hospital i worked in for 2+ years were phasing out LPNs for they saw no need for them. The same is with OP dialysis. The sad part is the RNs in this area are in total agreement with this action :)

I think that is a sad situation. I think sometimes RNs feel as if LPNs are a threat (especally 2 year degree nurses). AD and LPN have the same oppurtunites to a HR department, but with BSNs HR departments feel that they have more oppurtunities in the organization(the reason that there is a big push to have RNs and LPNs return to school) . Organizations are pitting "nurses" (no matter LPN RN BSN-RN) against each other, which means we have no credibility to fight for our clients, patients, as well as for someone to be our co-workers, allowing more burned-out nurses, leading to nurses leaving altogether.

"Nurses" are a sister and brotherhood that should be more respected, but how are we to be respected if we allow phasing-out, replacement of licesnsed workers with majority of UAPs in place of nurses?

:) Yes, actually there is more to Rn than Lpn, it is education-wise. Do not get me wrong, Lpn's or Lvn's are very smart and good nurses, but the difference is more education. More courses. Also RN's get taught IV skills and a few other things in clinicals. More indepth on why diseases affect people the way they do. More on Care planning. More on management skills, etc. Just like there are more courses to get a BSN opposed to an ADN or more for a Masters or Doctorate degree. So, yes, it is all more education. You will see what I mean when you get started in your RN courses. We all make choices, some want the Lpn, some want the RN. I chose RN because I know there is a pay difference. Honestly. If you are a young person, I suggest you either go all the way for a BSN or Masters or Doctorate or for becoming a doctor. After all, the time has to go somewhere, may as well go in your pocket toward a great degree! I am only an ADN RN, but wish I had went on for at least the BSN. God bless you in your studies.

In my coursework in becomming a LPN, I was taught IV therapy, as well as practiced the coursework every clinical rotation; data collection (I believe RN course work labels this assessment); the nursing process, care planning, medication administration across the life span, medciation math, management, ethics..the list goes on and on! I think the only difference in the RN-LPN educational component is that the LPN clinical rotation adds LTC in the clinical rotation. I was able to do Mental Health, Emergency Room, OR, Med-Surg, Maternity Pediatrics-outpatient, inpatient, PedOR. I know that when I graduate in February, I am confident to be a competitive, compertent nurse to be on any haelthcare team, open to learn and be committed to my healthcare team I am hired to, and be able and comfortable in a BSN program when I return to school.

don't believe the illusion...LPNs are educated, and have similar clinical coursework...and will be ready to become RNs, BSNs i fthey want to ...a nurse is a nurse is a nurse:rotfl: .

I have heard that some RNs have a nickname for LPNs...."Let's Pretend Nurse."

I'm sure no one on this board would admit to it, but if anyone has called an LPN such a nickname, it's a shame that they would do that.

LPNs are not trying to take anything from RNs. We have a place and can contribute alot to the health care field.

Why do RNs and LPNs have such animosity between each other?

Dealing a lot with education, when it comes to clinical skills, i'd have to say the LVN/LPN is far more educated in many aspects than the RN. I know many RN's who have graduated and never started an IV, or Inserted a NG tube, or Inserted a Foley, etc..... WHere LPN's have done so. The RN is taught more theory in these areas, but not always the hands on.

Some states, LPN's are nothing more than glorified CNA's, and in some states, LPN's only differ from RN's by the difference in abbreviations. So depending on what state your from, it can differ in the role of the LPN.

Instead of bickering on role titles, we are all here to care for patients, we just have different roles and job descriptions. So the RN is not any better than the LPN which is not any better than the CNA. We all have different job functions, with the same goal, excellent patient care and patient outcomes.

So its hard to base the LPN versus RN versus LPN argument unless you base it on a state by state basis, because in some states the only difference is that a RN is in charge, and thats basically it. (This is med surge and so forth, no the ICU or NICU).

Just my opinion.

We used to aruge this when i was just a paramedic...How we are much better then nurses and so forth. WHen i became a nurse, i realized you cant compare a medic and nurse. One is pre-hospital and one is in-hospital.....two totally different approaches to patient care. Its the same with the LPN and RN

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:angryfire i have been an lpn for 36 years. for the last 20 i have heard talk

of phasing out lpn's. when i read the local paper all i see is cna, and

cma ads. for all my years i have been a charge nurse or in charge.

just exactly what does the medical community think these largely untrained persons will take the place of lpn's and they won't have to pay them.

well, i hope and pray that this does not happen. anyone out there agree.

or do you think lpn's should be phased out and there just be rn's and

cna's.

:uhoh21: it is a sad time for lpn's. in kalamazoo, mi, at one of the local hospitals they let all of the lpn's go on nov, 22. fourty eight good nurses lost their jobs. the rn's were told that they would have 4 patients and a cna to help them, but in truth, thet have 5-6 pt and maybe a cna on a good day. i don't know what they are thinking, but i bet that they will regret later.

Dealing a lot with education, when it comes to clinical skills, i'd have to say the LVN/LPN is far more educated in many aspects than the RN. I know many RN's who have graduated and never started an IV, or Inserted a NG tube, or Inserted a Foley, etc..... WHere LPN's have done so. The RN is taught more theory in these areas, but not always the hands on.

Some states, LPN's are nothing more than glorified CNA's, and in some states, LPN's only differ from RN's by the difference in abbreviations. So depending on what state your from, it can differ in the role of the LPN.

Instead of bickering on role titles, we are all here to care for patients, we just have different roles and job descriptions. So the RN is not any better than the LPN which is not any better than the CNA. We all have different job functions, with the same goal, excellent patient care and patient outcomes.

So its hard to base the LPN versus RN versus LPN argument unless you base it on a state by state basis, because in some states the only difference is that a RN is in charge, and thats basically it. (This is med surge and so forth, no the ICU or NICU).

Just my opinion.

We used to aruge this when i was just a paramedic...How we are much better then nurses and so forth. WHen i became a nurse, i realized you cant compare a medic and nurse. One is pre-hospital and one is in-hospital.....two totally different approaches to patient care. Its the same with the LPN and RN

Wise words indeed. I've had several RNs that have relied on me for info on pt. care. Alot of times pay day is the only difference