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47's rambling press briefing to announce the war returned to his delusion about mental institutions and insane asylum again.  Apparently Venezuela stole American property on Venezuela soil.  

The old guy really ought to watch to the prepared remarks.  His off the cuff remarks make him sound unfit.  

GrumpyRN said:

I believe there is a saying that "Every President needs a war." Well it looks like 47 has got his, and in every way you would expect from him - illegal, no real reason for it except to make money and show what a strongman he is and also without permission from congress and probably the American people. 

He knows he can't invade Canada or Greenland so he picks on somebody weaker.

These are the actions of a despot, a dictator and a tyrant.

Well, he is not getting a Nobel Peace Prize this year.

This makes me sick. And I know the majority party in Congress will do nothing, while the minority will clutch their pearls and say tsk, tsk.  

nursej22 said:

This makes me sick. And I know the majority party in Congress will do nothing, while the minority will clutch their pearls and say tsk, tsk.  

Wow.  That sounds bad.

What specifically is the part if this that makes you "sick"?

What we know right now is that a dictator has been removed from power.  Thats it.  Why the freaking out?

I usually can't stand this woman, but her words here make sense.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrat-calls-trumps-maduro-capture-welcome-news-left-accuses-him-illegal-actions

Beerman said:

Wow.  That sounds bad.

What specifically is the part if this that makes you "sick"?

What we know right now is that a dictator has been removed from power.  Thats it.  Why the freaking out?

 

 

You make it sound like Marshalls arrived with a warrant and peacefully took Maduro and his wife into custody. Bombs were dropped, there was small arms fire, and 2 US personnel were injured. No word of any Venezuelan casualties. This was an act of war. 

nursej22 said:

You make it sound like Marshalls arrived with a warrant and peacefully took Maduro and his wife into custody. Bombs were dropped, there was small arms fire, and 2 US personnel were injured. No word of any Venezuelan casualties. This was an act of war. 

That regime, that in addition to destroying Venezuela and it's history of  humanitarian crimes, was also becoming buddies with China.  If this is all it takes to get rid of them, and to teach others a lesson, that's a win.

As I said, too early to know what's going to happen next.  Yes, if we end up in a war, then it's likely I'll agree with you that it was a big mistake.

Right now, though it seems to be a good move. I think the big problem most have with it is that it was Trump that made it.

nursej22 said:

You make it sound like Marshalls arrived with a warrant and peacefully took Maduro and his wife into custody. Bombs were dropped, there was small arms fire, and 2 US personnel were injured. No word of any Venezuelan casualties. This was an act of war. 

It looks like the people living under the nice warm collectivism of the Maduro regime would not agree with your assessment of the situation as there are worldwide celebrations taking place. 

https://yournews.com/2026/01/03/5875175/venezuelans-celebrate-worldwide-after-u-s-forces-capture-maduro/

Also, this is not unprecedented ( in International or US law) even though most liberal media keeps "reporting" it as such (no big surprise there)

"Trump does not need congressional approval for this type of operation. Presidents, including Democratic presidents, have launched lethal attacks regularly against individuals. President Barack Obama killed an American citizen under this "kill list" policy. If Obama can vaporize an American citizen without even a criminal charge, Trump can capture a foreign citizen with a pending criminal indictment without prior congressional approval"

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jonathan-turley-why-capture-maduro-didn't-require-approval-from-congress

I am sure that there are many geopolitical issues that also played into this decision that none of us will ever know, just like there have always been and always will be. I for one am glad that Trump is acting on the best interest of our Country. Is it mistake, I hope not but definitely too soon to tell. 

Daisy4RN said:

It looks like the people living under the nice warm collectivism of the Maduro regime would not agree with your assessment of the situation as there are worldwide celebrations taking place. 

Help me understand--did the US military kidnap a foreign leader to benefit Venezuelans, or Americans, or petroleum companies, or Trump because he is going to collect the $50 million reward? 

Who is in charge now, of Venezuela? Is it Darcy Rodriguez, or Maria Corina Machado, or Marco Rubio, or Standard Oil? 

Who does the Venezuelan oil belong to? 

nursej22 said:

Help me understand--did the US military kidnap a foreign leader to benefit Venezuelans, or Americans, or petroleum companies, or Trump because he is going to collect the $50 million reward? 

Who is in charge now, of Venezuela? Is it Darcy Rodriguez, or Maria Corina Machado, or Marco Rubio, or Standard Oil? 

Who does the Venezuelan oil belong to? 

Interesting you use the terms "foreign leader" and "kidnap".  You also said this was an act of war (seems then it'd made more sense to drop a bomb on his head..) That tells us you consider Madero to be a legitimate president.  If that's your view,  not much to discuss then about if this was an appropriate action.  It never will be in from your POV.

The "kidnap" of Madero was done to benefit Americans, Venezuelans,  and the rest of the world.  Oil I don't believe was a major consideration, at least according to one opinion I read that made sense to me.

Among some of your ridiculous questions are a few valid ones that do need to be answered. 

nursej22 said:

Help me understand--did the US military kidnap a foreign leader to benefit Venezuelans, or Americans, or petroleum companies, or Trump because he is going to collect the $50 million reward? 

Who is in charge now, of Venezuela? Is it Darcy Rodriguez, or Maria Corina Machado, or Marco Rubio, or Standard Oil? 

Who does the Venezuelan oil belong to? 

Didn't Trump say that Rubio and Hegseth were going to be in charge of Venezuela for now?  I think he also said that the Venezuelans would profit from the oil after the cost of whatever the new oil producers need to spend and whatever is owed to the USA, or something like that. 

I think that Trump suffers from delusions.  He may think that the Venezuelan oil somehow becomes a part of his economy.  

GrumpyRN said:

One of the consequences of this action is that it gives Putin a way to annexe any country he feels like, Kim Jong Un a way to annexe South Korea and Xi Jinping a way to annexe Taiwan or any of the countries in Asia.

Another effect is that - rightly or wrongly - America was seen as the policeman of the world. Now you will be seen as corrupt and being bought by the highest bidder.

I'm not following.  What do you mean that we were bought by the highest bidder?