MaudKennedy

Thinking about it,I probably answered messages that were posted months if not years ago so sorry about it but my main points remains. Even as a patient,you're still a nurse who's seen way worse. Layperson patients? Not so sure,like my example with needles and injections or draw labs. That's nothing and some are scared ******** about them. I "think" because of my experience with blood donations than IVs in the antecubital might be really unpleasant. That's all what I said.

I don't really see why you're talking about it again when all was said and done but since you did,I'll answer. You know that "medically speaking everytime a new IV is started there is an increased risk",a "normal" patient? Probably not. You're a nurse,you see things differently and are probably more patient about things because you're experienced. I guess you don't fear needles,injections and so on? I don't either but some people do. Anyway,I was talking theorically as I have never had an IV elsewhere than in my hand.

Thanks for answering.:)I wondered because I saw it was used alone for procedures like colonscopies and endoscopies and I wondered if it was the rule.

In what circumstances do patients versed alone?? I mean,if it isnt a pain relief,why use it alone? I understand the fact you can t suffer from something you don t remember but...You don t take a medication to forget you were in pain,you take it to not feel it in first place.

I wasn't really talking about me actually because I have very crappy veins and I doubt any nurse would even try to get an IV in another vein than the antecubital if I had to get antibiotics or blood... I was asking more about the fact it seemed the antecubital was almost always chosen for an IV but now with the answers I got I understand why you do it that way. I don't doubt it applies to every aspect of care but when your IV is placed in an uncomfortable location,you'll be uncomfortable as long as you'll need it. That's not serious and that's necessary I get it but that's frustrating,that's all I meant. To answer to your question,I understand safety trumps absolutely everything:modesty,discomfort and even pain. None in their right mind would take the chance to expose someone to a risk. It just doesn't make sense. However,to be perfectly honest,I'm not sure I'd be reasonable enough to make the right choice and not choose comfort to a potential risk if I were a patient but given my crappy veins,I don't think I'd have a choice anyway.

Thanks for your teaching and your patience,I understand your point. :)

I wouldn't have made many of my choices if I couldn't tolerate "a little discomfort"and I don't think a permanent discomfort that lasts for days is just a "little discomfort"... I have already said I understood if it was a matter of life or death. My problem is when patients do need an IV but not necessilary on the antecubital and you won't restart it for reasons that are understandable but make you wonder what importance do you give to patients comfort if everything trumps it.

So,the patient's comfort just doesn't matter?

I'm sure you don't like hearing it and with what you and Lev

I've never got an IV in the antecubital but I've given my blood and that's the worst IV site possible. It's meant to bend! There are other veins,why not put it elsewhere,where it's less uncomfortable?? Especially if the IV is supposed to stay for a few days. I'd get crazy if I couldn't bend my arm for days. It seems like putting every IV in the antecubital is the norm because it's easier and quicker. I understand if it's emergent because it's a matter of live or death but when it isn't,why not put it in another site or at least discontinue it and restart it elsewhere as soon as possible?

I understand how important a colonoscopy is but Ive read some horror stories on the internet about it,even on here where patients got just versed and were in pain for the whole procedure that scare me.

i If someone is drugged with ghb and doesn't remember their assault,were they really raped? Sorry but that's the same reasoning. If a patient can't get pain medication for medical reasons then so be it but "they won't remember it so their pain doesn't matter" is very concerning and makes you wonder if versed is used in patients best interests or for staff convenience ,to gain compliance, to be able to make comments about the patient they'drather them to forget or to avoid to give pain control,especially for procedures like endoscopies or colonoscopies. There are several testimonies on the internet about procedures processed with just versed,even on here because "patients won't remember a thing"

And if they don't,they get slapped on the face?? That's for all people who fake it?

Talking about wasting time... That's ridiculous!

Thanks for the information,that's really helpful :)