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Drug seeking or real pain? How do you tell?
Ok, I have to weigh in here. You are walking a fine line when you start to label pts as "drug seekers" Granted, they are out there. Because a person asks what medication they will be receiving does not imply they are a drug seeker. Some pts know what works for their pain. Moreover, some people are allergic to NSAIDs or they are intolerant of these meds. They may be allergic to sulfa nad were told to avoid NSAIDs because of possible cross allergy. Chronic pain is significantly different than acute pain. Persons with exacerbation of chronic do not usually present with the typical S/S of pain i.e., VS changes, writhing/restlessness and agitation etc. I also have to comment on the fact that there may be an inter-relation between MH issues and pain. One must ask "what came first, the pain or the MH issues" So MH patients may have pain issues. There are so many causes of pain and so many reasons people take pain medication to begin with and some people seeking pain meds are so manipulative. I do think significant ethical issues exist when pts are labeled as "drug seeker", or their pain is not adequately treated.
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G C S application
In the Glasgow coma scale they get a 1 or T for tubed, as it is impossible to assess neurological function accurately without guessing, which defeats the purpose!
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Things I've learned from my ER patients...
1. The hospital is the only place that Panadol or Asprin can be obtained 2.I've learned that the first thing a person wants to do after vomiting is "reload the cannon" by eating or drinking and that no pain, bleeding, distress, or illness is too great to want a tray. 3. I've learned that ALL nurses absolutely know the names of every visitor and family member that has or MIGHT walk through the door with every patient. You know, the phone calls I'm talking about,"Can I talk to Mary Johnson?" There is no patient named Mary Johnson and it is the patients cousin twice removed. Or the visitor/family member will come through the door and ask "Can I see my Mum?" Like I don't have 8 Mums in the ED right now. Telepathy is a good lesson. 4. Patients truly believe that there is just one pill out there that is "the little white (blue, pink, etc.,) pill" and that you as the nurse should know what they mean. 5. Patients waiting in the waiting room for 3 hours before they are seen are miraculously better once they get a bed in the ER. This is especially true for dramatic patients who have had chest pain for 6 months, and need to get back ahead of everyone else, because they are way sicker. 6. Patients are sometimes too honest. To tell a triage nurse, "I just want a note for work because I called off today, can't you just write me one and let me go home?" is not a good idea! 7. When you hear, "You won't believe how this happened to me!" and the patient has a towel stuffed down the back of their pants, and a blood soaked bottom, walking with mincing steps, the patient is probably right!! I love this thread, It's great to know these lessons are universal.
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New PICU nurse
Ah, you have dealt with stressed parents. But ICU is a different kind of stress. Its one stress to see your child acting out , its a whole other stress to see your child hooked up to machines and drips that are keeping them alive. Parents are stressed about that fact along with being very intimidated by all the thing hooked to their child, it is really a life or death situation that makes parents very very scared and withdrawn. They usually are very timid at first and then they reach a boiling point. Its good that you have the background you do.
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Pain Medicine for a dying patient ...
I'd give it in a HEARTBEAT - and in fact have done so MANY times over my many years as a nurse. WHAT IF it's the last injection that helps the patient relax and die comfortably?? To me, THEN you are the ultimate Nurse. Nurses CAN'T change the outcome of a terminally pt. We CAN change the quality of life they LIVE through till they die.
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how do YOU deal with unruly patients?
I have heard many people take the matter of fact attitude including myself telling the patient that language like that will not be accepted here we have other patients that do not need to be subjected to it as well as ourselves. Also, you have to remember, pts strike out for many reasons, probably none due to the nurse. May have received bad diagnosis, may have family who do not care, may be scared. The nurse must keep herself in check. It has nothing to due with you, most of the time. I know when I was a pt, the nurses I am sure wanted to strangle me. But, I was tired of tests, tired of saying I can not help you, tired of being sick and tired of surgery after surgery. Not once did I have a nurse yell back at me. Not once did I have a nurse teach me either about what to expect .I just swore I would be a better nurse. Teaching and holding a hand are not beneath me. I also do not need a doctor nor the pt to validate my worth. If someone does not respect you, its their problem.
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Persantine Myoview
As the in above reply - there is very little danger in this myoview. My understanding is that it will dilate the coronary arteries pharmacologically (instead of through physical exertion i.e. exercise). It has been approved for this use longer than any other coronary dilator and its action can be stopped with Aminophylline if need be. Similar to the above reply, it is possible to cause bronchospasm in people with asthma or COPD. There is also a slim chance of inducing arrhythmias. For these reasons, you will be monitored throughout the test and life support equipment will be available. A small amount of radioactive material is given IV that is taken up by the myocardial cells. Basically, you just lie there on a gurney with a gamma camera focused over your chest. It takes a "picture" of the coronaries being dilated and how well they feed the myocardium(myocardial perfusion imaging). It is a useful test of the functioning of the coronaries. The radioactivity is about as much as you would get with a chest x-ray. So even though the word "radioactive" is used, it is such a small amount that no precautions need be taken by you after the test. There is the concern of the IV used to administer the stuff. It should be diluted to prevent phlebitis. Caffeine is not allowed as it is antagonistic to the drug and will give you a non-diagnostic test. The same with some meds so check on what you might need to avoid, including over-the-counter stuff. I too, have not heard of anything terrible happening during this test and it is considered to be safe and useful. Good Luck. Let us know how it goes. Maybe you can give us more information on the test afterwards, teach us something
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Steven Johnson Syndrome
Steven Johnsons and TENS tend to be partial thickness wounds and really dont require all those extensive and disruptive dressing changes. I forgot to mention, we started using ACTICOAT! This was excellent! It is a silver coated barrier and the dressings only needed to be changed daily if that often. The barriers could be reused up to about 7 days. It really is bothersome that some medical staff do not dialogue with sales representatives who can offer more current wound care products!!
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Welcome to our new pain management forum
http://www.vh.org/pediatric/provider/pediatrics/PediatricPainMgmt/index.html http://www.wch.org.au/rch_palliative/prof/?doc_id=1686 http://www.medicineau.net.au/clinical/palliative/palliative3.html http://www.medicineau.net.au/clinical/anaesthetics/AcutePain.html
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PBS and Free Trade Agreement
Considering the amount of medication(s) ingested in the western world we are either the sickest bunch that ever lived or the most healthy. While it is true that we are healthier in many respects this is due more to public health and education than pills. Anything that makes us take a long hard look at the amount of pill popping we (not all) do is not necessarily a bad thing. In the fifties Eisenhower warned of the Military/Industrial complex and the way it manipulated the system (people) to make exorbitant profits. Perhaps it is about time to turn the spot light on the Medical/Pharmaceutical complex. The bottom line is that the Drug companies get their profit either way, either from the individual or the society, and what we need to be doing is encouraging people to take control of what ever situation they are in and not to expect a magic pill to "make it all better" because it won't. Just a thought.
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New PICU nurse
Congrats to you! I am a former Paediatric Nurse - hospital ward. I do ICU primarily adults nowadays. The one thing I can honestly tell you is to always, always take care of YOU...burn out comes to fast in those places. But it is also very rewarding most of the time. I would also say that your going to deal with loads of very stressed parents. Stressed parents are scared and mean. Always remember to put yourself in their place and remember that could be YOUR child laying there. If you remember that with passion and respect it, you will do fine. Good luck in your career, it is very rewarding!
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Things that make you go eww...
There is an old joke. God put a thousand people in one room and filled it 1/2 full of poop. Then sneezed with copius amounts of snot flying. The ones who ducked became nurses, the ones who stayed upright, were RT's/Respiratory physician.
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Xygris question
We've had great success with Xigris, but then it's been started early, and we've had little incidence of bleeding. I think it's a keeper. My only problem has been that thus far, patients have had to stay in the ICU until the whole course was completed [that is unless they were doing so well that it was discontinued before the 96 hours was up], but we're working on changing that.
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What bacteria is it that turns the drainage bags blue?
I had to run a search as USA med brands differ to those in Australia. In answer to you questions 1. If the urine in the foley is blue the patient is probably on urised, a medication for bladder spasms usually associated with a UTI. 2. I have been lucky that in the hospitals I have worked in had a bladder scanner. So we would DC the foley. push fluids, wait for up to 8 hours depending on why they originally had the foley and meds they were on, take to the bathroom q2h during the 8h wait. If no void in 8 hours scan bladder, if over 250cc straight cath, repeat x3. If >than 250cc's after three scans then replace foley and contact MD for when to attempt again. If Hope this helps.
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What's your craziest story of the ER
Cross my heart the following is factual Now, grab on to something, folks - Last week - adult male arrived heavily intoxicated in A & E (Accident and Emergency) s/p assault. Drunk and acts like a 10 year old, but he's happy. I take said-named-patient to the bathroom to obtain a UA. Patient is shown the location of the benzalkonium pads and instructed to "clean yourself very thoroughly before you pee in the cup". (Getting the picture yet? I didn't) Five minutes later I am concerned about the PT and call him through the door. To my relief he responds immediately and says he's OK. I ask him if he's pee'd yet and he responds "Not yet, I ain't got clean yet..." (Are we any closer to catching on...?) I ask him what's the matter and he responds that he needs more of "them little soapy pads". Now I am REALLY concerned because there was a whole box of them in there 30 minutes ago. Suddenly a light goes on and I open the door, cautiously.. Much to my chagrin, the patient is standing naked in the middle of 200 benzyl packets laying about on the floor. "There ain't enough here for me to get clean with". Folks, it takes one of these Kodak moments to get through some shifts.