Fired for refusing??

Sigh, it's LOSE, not loose. And no, no it's not. It's ENFORCING a facility policy, not FORCING a nurse to get a vaccination. The nurse has a choice. Just because s/he may not like the options, you can't say they were forced into anything. Force implies there was no choice. That's not the case in this circumstance.

If a nurse is going to loose their job or get the shot, that is forced.

You can make your case along this vein until the cows come home, but until a nurse (or ANYONE) is being held down and unwillingly injected with a flu shot, it's not forced. Forced and mandatory are two very different words.

I understand that they are not literally being forced. But, if a healthcare worker has to choose between getting this vaccination or feeding their family...it's forced.

Which is entirely your right. It's also the right of your employer to require the flu vaccination as a condition of employment, just like requiring a nursing license!

I'm sorry but, I view safety hats and yearly injections, slightly different....

Is it just me or is this sounding more and more like one of those tattoo threads?

Um, how so?

Is it just me or is this sounding more and more like one of those tattoo threads?

Is it just me or is this sounding more and more like one of those tattoo threads?

Um, how so?

Oh, just in the sense that the tattoo threads so often end up with one group of people saying, "If I want a body mod, it's my right" and the other side saying, "Yes, it's your right, but you have to accept the consequences that the employer might not hire you because of an anti-mod policy."

In other words, I am reading this as a discussion of the rights of the two parties (employee and employer), neither of which has the right to compel the other.

If a nurse is going to loose their job or get the shot, that is forced.

In that sense, you are also "forced" to:

come me to work regularly, even if it's snowy, cold, or rainy

smile and be polite to your patients

practice good hygiene and wear clean clothes

refrain from swearing

not come to work with a swastika tattooed on your forehead, or on any other visible area.

pay union dues if that's part of the deal

practice good hand hygiene

answer call lights

reduce pain and suffering

get along with your coworkers

.

pay the government every two years for a license to continue doing the job you are already doing.

In that sense, you are also "forced" to:

come me to work regularly, even if it's snowy, cold, or rainy

smile and be polite to your patients

practice good hygiene and wear clean clothes

refrain from swearing

not come to work with a swastika tattooed on your forehead, or on any other visible area.

pay union dues if that's part of the deal

practice good hand hygiene

answer call lights

reduce pain and suffering

get along with your coworkers

.

pay the government every two years for a license to continue doing the job you are already doing.

Um not quite...

Like I've said before, it is not right to force someone to inject themselves with something that may or may not be effective. And we can go back and force the semantics. People are being coerced to do something they don't feel comfortable with. When applying for the job this wasn't a requirement. However, everything you listed above was.

They are not being forced.

They are not being coerced.

They are being asked to make a choice with consequences.

A choice with consequences is not eating something offered in the cafeteria and going hungry for the rest of the day. Coercion is being told to inject yourself with something or loose your livelihood.

A choice with consequences is not eating something offered in the cafeteria and going hungry for the rest of the day. Coercion is being told to inject yourself with something or loose your livelihood.

Oh, come on.

Let's say your employer requires the flu shot and you refuse to have it. You are not left with "losing your livelihood". You have choices:

1. You can speak to HR and try to convince them to make an exception. Even if that fails and you lose your job, you can

2. Look for a nursing job at a facility that doesn't require the shot

3. Get a non-nursing job

You are being very dramatic in what appears to be an attempt to avoid the consequences of your own decision.

A choice with consequences is not eating something offered in the cafeteria and going hungry for the rest of the day. Coercion is being told to inject yourself with something or loose your livelihood.

First, it's LOSE your livelihood, not "loose" it.

If NOT being vaccinated is that important to you, perhaps you'll want to look for employment somewhere that doesn't mandate it.