Debate prep for both sides

OUCH......  sad to see a President disintegrate before our eyes.  Expected more control by Chris Wallace.

8 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Some of Biden's public statements on violence and looting related to protests:

"There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction." 

"The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable […] as a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight."

"Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not." 

"I want to be very clear about all of this: Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted," Biden said. "Violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way."

 

I quit watching about half way through it was giving me a headache. The libertarian in me wants to write in "11" from Stranger Things and let her stir things up

12 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump is so clearly unfit for this position.  Holy hell.  How does someone watch that and still think that this is OK? He told the proud boys to stand by rather than condemn white supremacy. 

The Proud Boys are using Trump's 'stand by' remark as a recruiting tool, rebranding to incorporate what they see as his call to action

• The far-right Proud Boys group has launched a recruitment drive following President Donald Trump's comments during the first presidential debate. 
• "Proud Boys - stand back and stand by," remarked the president when asked to denounce white nationalism. 
• Members of the group have clashed with anti-racism demonstrators in cities such as Portland. 
• Trump's comments come amid concerns that armed militias could come to polling stations as conspiracy theories about rigged ballots spread. 

https://www.MSN.com/en-us/news/us/the-proud-boys-are-using-trump-s-stand-by-remark-as-a-recruiting-tool-rebranding-to-incorporate-what-they-see-as-his-call-to-action/ar-BB19zStZ

Established in the midst of the 2016 presidential election by VICE Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys are self-described “western chauvinists” who adamantly deny any connection to the racist “alt-right,” insisting they are simply a fraternal group spreading an “anti-political correctness” and “anti-white guilt” agenda.

Their disavowals of bigotry are belied by their actions: rank-and-file Proud Boys and leaders regularly spout white nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists. They are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Proud Boys have appeared alongside other hate groups at extremist gatherings like the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville. Indeed, former Proud Boys member Jason Kessler helped to organize the event, which brought together Klansmen, antisemites, Southern racists, and militias. Kessler was only “expelled” from the group after the violence and near-universal condemnation of the Charlottesville rally-goers...

 https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

12 hours ago, Kyrshamarks said:

And has ANY dumbocrat including Sleepy Joe condemned the violence by Antifa and the thugs at BLM?  NO, they haven't.  In fact they encourage it.

In Joe Biden's own words, his antivolence statement

What is Antifa = " Anti Facist" definition from Oxford Language dictonary

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a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology.

Below is the statement and testimony  FBI Director Christopher Wray  made  before the House Homeland Security Committee re US terrorist organizations ---that President Trump last night said he disagreed with -- he stated"left wing extremists" worse.

Trump's constant denials of government experts information is antithetical to effective government functioning and protecting US citizens from harm. Trumps statements that he knows better than anyone is truly distressing and in full view of US citizens last night.  His "Law and Order" statements  are directly opposite to his actions --he couldn't even follow debate order guidelines both campaigns agreed to.

What concerns me the most is that what I see with my own eyes... and our nursing colleagues outside the US state they see too, are ignored by other nurses and some of my own family inside the US.  

Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt   need to get our heads out of the sand!   Suggest President Trump get an eye exam, decrease Fox TV viewership and watch more C-SPAN coverage pf congressional hearings.

Concerned for our democracy if the current administration continues for four more years.

FBI Director Christopher Wray's prepared statement:

Worldwide Threats to the Homeland

Washington, D.C.     September 17, 2020

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The greatest threat we face in the homeland is that posed by lone actors radicalized online who look to attack soft targets with easily accessible weapons...

The top threat we face from domestic violent extremists stems from those we identify as racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVE).

RMVEs were the primary source of ideologically motivated lethal incidents and violence in 2018 and 2019 and have been considered the most lethal of all domestic extremists since 2001....

https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/worldwide-threats-to-the-homeland-091720

CSPAN video + transcript of hearing:

House Homeland Security Hearing on National Security Threats

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..SO ANTIFA IS A REAL THING. IT'S NOT A GROUP OR AN ORGANIZATION.  IT'S A MOVEMENT OR AN IDEOLOGY MAY BE ONE WAY OF THINKING OF IT. AND WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER. AND I'VE SAID IT CONSISTENTLY SINCE MY FIRST TIME APPEARING BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. WE HAVE ANY NUMBER OF PROPERLY PREDICATED INVESTIGATIONS INTO WHAT WE WOULD DESCRIBE AS VIOLENT ANARCHIST EXTREMISTS, AND SOME OF THE THOSE INDIVIDUALS SELF-IDENTIFY WITH ANTIFA. ...

....WE DON'T EXPRESS A VIEW ON THE SORT OF POLITICAL ORGANIZATION ITSELF OF BLACK LIVES MATTER. IF THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THAT GROUP OR WHO ADHERE TO THAT IDEOLOGY WHO WERE THEN TO BASED ON THAT IDEOLOGY OR ANYTHING ELSE TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THEN WE WOULD APPROACH THEM JUST LIKE WE WOULD ANYONE ELSE. ...

..WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WITHIN THE DOMESTIC TERRORISM BUCKET, CATEGORY AS A WHOLE, RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENT EXTREMISM IS I THINK THE BIGGEST BUCKET WITHIN THAT LARGER GROUP. AND WITHIN THE RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENT EXTREMIST BUCKET, PEOPLE ASCRIBING TO SOME KIND OF WHITE SUPREMACIST TYPE IDEOLOGY IS CERTAINLY THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THAT.

...YES, AND I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THAT THAT RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENT EXTREMISTS OVER RECENT YEARS HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MOST LETHAL ACTIVITY IN THE U.S. NOW, THIS YEAR, THE LETHAL ATTACKS, DOMESTIC TERRORIST LETHAL ATTACKS HAVE ALL FIT, I THINK, IN THE CATEGORY OF ANTI-GAUMPT,ANTIHF ANTI-GOVERNMENT, ANTI-AUTHORITY, WHICH INCLUDES VIOLENT EXTREMISTS TO MILITIA TYPES. WE DON'T REALLY THINK IN TERMS OF LEFT/RIGHT. THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE LOOK AT THE WORLD. ...

https://www.c-span.org/video/?475444-1/fbi-director-wray-foreign-interference-elections-tolerated