I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

Crusades said:

Too bad your unqualified diagnosis isn't supported by and evidence other than your own grandiose opinion. Even far left msm isn't running the mental health propaganda anymore. Too bad the other half of the US population will decide what Trump is or is not, not you. 

Any comments can be distorted and used as propaganda. 

Great speech at the Detroit Economic Forum Today:

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Trump: These things were coming cylinders, no wings, no nothing, and they're coming down very slowly, landing on a raft in the middle of the ocean someplace with a circle, reminded me of the Biden circles that he used to have.. then I heard we lost

https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/DA9W_5zyJRi?xmt=AQGzUreZx7ZBaDE2ziWYK4vTrrL4D8SmGSZFc1sI9EGqfA

Full speech:

Trashes Detroit ..unbelievable amount of incoherent rambling..barely can speak in complete sentences on a specific idea without veering off on a tangent.

Insightful commentary by Fox2 viewers:

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• Holy crap. independent here trying to keep an open mind, but this was horrible. This was his worst outting so far. Terrible effort to gain a vote.
• With this concept of his proposed plan we'll be in a Recession by next Summer.
• So he has dementia, right? Some of this was very incoherent.
• Trump has no energy. What happened? All he can do these days is deliver a stream of things he makes up. He seems so lost.
• What a s--t show! OMG... Did the rambling ol demented geezer get around to talking "economics"? Does he even know where he is? And is that egg on his face?
• No way in the world do I ever want this man to have the codes to our nuclear weapons ever again.

So the public -- potential voters - are talking about Trumps dementia.

Crusades said:

What "professional voices" ?  Yours? The profession  Or cherry picked "professionals" on CNN and MSNBC?  Who have not assessed Trump? 

I have a nursing specialty in dementia/geriatrics care and even I do not diagnosis Biden as in decline definitely.  You can't even admit the obvious sighs in Biden other than he's "old and wise" so you professional opinion is irrelevant.  

"Racist. ...bla bla...." 2016 wants it's propaganda back. 

Professional voices like Dr Bandy Lee. 

Yes, you said you have a specialty in geriatrics and dementia care and yet you were certain that Biden shows signs of dementia (he doesn't) and you can't see the obvious signs of dementia or mental illness in Trump.  It's pretty odd that a specialist like yourself can't discern the difference between normal aging and the changes associated with dementia.  

Dismissing Trump's character flaws only reflects upon the person dismissing the disqualifying traits.  Only certain people are comfortable expressing support for a racist felon and fraud who is a pathological liar.  There was a time when Americans wouldn't want to be publicly associated with support of a well known liar and cheater and philanderer who stole money from a charity and ran a scam university before he tried to overthrow election results.  They would have been embarrassed.  Today is different.  Today we live in the era of Trump, when millions of people are unduly influenced by a mentally ill man and they wear his image on their clothing and fly his flag, even while they are attacking the Capitol for his benefit.  

It sounds like 2024 Trump support just doesn't care about racism in 2024. Maybe Trump really needs the support of the racists this election cycle to stay competitive in this race. 

Maybe it will help Trump to tell voters in Detroit that if they don't vote for him that the whole country will be as bad as Detroit.  Most of us think that's a crazy thing to say. Most of us think that is some ugliness that persists in the racist corners of Trump's brain. Trump's disinhibition (associated with his dementia) makes it difficult for him to moderate his inappropriate language.  This is also most likely why Trump uses measurably more cussing and vulgarity in his public speaking today as compared to 2016 and 2020. Is this a feature of dementia that you are familiar with, disinhibition?

nursej22 said:

Inflation was world wide too, and the US fared better than most. But inflation was all Biden's fault? 

Of course not. Inflation was Trump's fault.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Professional voices like Dr Bandy Lee. 

Yes, you said you have a specialty in geriatrics and dementia care and yet you were certain that Biden shows signs of dementia (he doesn't) and you can't see the obvious signs of dementia or mental illness in Trump.  It's pretty odd that a specialist like yourself can't discern the difference between normal aging and the changes associated with dementia.  

Dismissing Trump's character flaws only reflects upon the person dismissing the disqualifying traits.  Only certain people are comfortable expressing support for a racist felon and fraud who is a pathological liar.  There was a time when Americans wouldn't want to be publicly associated with support of a well known liar and cheater and philanderer who stole money from a charity and ran a scam university before he tried to overthrow election results.  They would have been embarrassed.  Today is different.  Today we live in the era of Trump, when millions of people are unduly influenced by a mentally ill man and they wear his image on their clothing and fly his flag, even while they are attacking the Capitol for his benefit.  

It sounds like 2024 Trump support just doesn't care about racism in 2024. Maybe Trump really needs the support of the racists this election cycle to stay competitive in this race. 

Maybe it will help Trump to tell voters in Detroit that if they don't vote for him that the whole country will be as bad as Detroit.  Most of us think that's a crazy thing to say. Most of us think that is some ugliness that persists in the racist corners of Trump's brain. Trump's disinhibition (associated with his dementia) makes it difficult for him to moderate his inappropriate language.  This is also most likely why Trump uses measurably more cussing and vulgarity in his public speaking today as compared to 2016 and 2020. Is this a feature of dementia that you are familiar with, disinhibition?

I have not personally assessed either Biden or Trump. Nor am I aware of any assessment by a Dr. 

"Dr. Bandy Lee" has not assess either of them. You could easily find another Dr that would dispute cognitive decline. Hence the phenomenon of a second opinion. Especially when potentially  politically motivated. 

I do see narcissistic traits in Trump and perhaps some lingual recall deficit and/or improper use of words associated with age and we saw in 2016.. Dementia is progressive and doesn't get worse when one decides to run for POTUS a 3rd time. There would be marked changes over time. I see very little difference of Trump's "cognitive" decline in 8 years. This is not consistent with dementia. Biden however has significantly changed over 4 yrs. 

It's odd a retired nurse who is not specialized in mental illness or dementia should provide a definitive diagnosis when not qualified to do so.

 

toomuchbaloney said:

 

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Dismissing Trump's character flaws only reflects upon the person dismissing the disqualifying traits.  Only certain people are comfortable expressing support for a racist felon and fraud who is a pathological liar. 

Here again with the guilt by association fallacy. Do you have something to say without trying to taint the person who has a opposing opinion than you? People who usually use this fallacy are either insecure with their point or desperate. 

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It sounds like 2024 Trump support just doesn't care about racism in 2024. Maybe Trump really needs the support of the racists this election cycle to stay competitive in this race. 

This is a deflect an an attempt to scare me with "racism". Doesn't work with me, try something else. We were discussing dementia/mental illness. 

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This is also most likely why Trump uses measurably more cussing and vulgarity in his public speaking today as compared to 2016 and 2020. Is this a feature of dementia that you are familiar with, disinhibition?

 

Possibly.  Do you remember that 1 symptom doesn't qualify for diagnosis?  Check the DSM for criteria. 

NRSKarenRN said:

Great speech at the Detroit Economic Forum Today:

Full speech:

Trashes Detroit ..unbelievable amount of incoherent rambling..barely can speak in complete sentences on a specific idea without veering off on a tangent.

Insightful commentary by Fox2 viewers:

So the public -- potential voters - are talking about Trumps dementia.

Do you think the people in Detroit are too stupid to understand that democrat policies are a major factor to the failure of their city? 

toomuchbaloney said:

That was very dangerous when it happened in Germany in the early 20th century.  

 So was censoring the media applying sanctions and criticizing undesired speech and ideas. Both Harris and Walz had enthusiastically admitted they want to do. 

 

toomuchbaloney said:

 

Correct, the popular vote doesn't elect the president.  The popular vote reflected Trump's relative unpopularity both in 2016 and again in 2020. I think it's going to, once again, reflect that Trump isn't that popular.

Too bad a popularity contest does not determine the election. 

Crusades said:

Do you think the people in Detroit are too stupid to understand that democrat policies are a major factor to the failure of their city? 

I admit I don't know much about Detroit. I've heard the baseball team is doing well. 

 In what way is it failing? 

Crusades said:

Of course not. Inflation was Trump's fault.  

I don't think that's true. Do you have a source for that statement?

Crusades said:

Too bad a popularity contest does not determine the election. 

LOL

Yes, because Trump is a very divisive and unlikable candidate with alarming symptoms of mental illness and cognitive challenges.  He can't win a popularity contest.  

nursej22 said:

I admit I don't know much about Detroit. I've heard the baseball team is doing well. 

 In what way is it failing? 

Housing is affordable,  so everything must be going well.

https://www.zillow.com/detroit-mi/?searchQueryState={"pagination"%3A{}%2C"mapBounds"%3A{"west"%3A-83.287959%2C"east"%3A-82.910451%2C"south"%3A42.255192%2C"north"%3A42.45023}%2C"usersSearchTerm"%3A"Detroit MI"%2C"regionSelection"%3A[{"regionId"%3A17762%2C"regionType"%3A6}]%2C"filterState"%3A{"sort"%3A{"value"%3A"globalrelevanceex"}%2C"ah"%3A{"value"%3Atrue}%2C"price"%3A{"max"%3A50000}%2C"mp"%3A{"max"%3A245}}}

Crusades said:

I have not personally assessed either Biden or Trump. Nor am I aware of any assessment by a Dr. 

"Dr. Bandy Lee" has not assess either of them. You could easily find another Dr that would dispute cognitive decline. Hence the phenomenon of a second opinion. Especially when potentially  politically motivated. 

I do see narcissistic traits in Trump and perhaps some lingual recall deficit and/or improper use of words associated with age and we saw in 2016.. Dementia is progressive and doesn't get worse when one decides to run for POTUS a 3rd time. There would be marked changes over time. I see very little difference of Trump's "cognitive" decline in 8 years. This is not consistent with dementia. Biden however has significantly changed over 4 yrs. 

It's odd a retired nurse who is not specialized in mental illness or dementia should provide a definitive diagnosis when not qualified to do so.

 

Every single one of us has observed and assessed the behavior, mannerisms, communication skills, and personal histories of the two presidential candidates.  It's ridiculous to imply that we cannot assess the character and behavior and known history of an individual who has been in the media for decades.  

Of course there are differing opinions. Importantly, there are very many professionals who are courageous enough to sign letters and make public remarks which support Dr Lee's VERY qualified opinion. This concern about Trump's mental health isn't new.  

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychiatrists-submit-warning-trumps-mental-health-deteriorating-2019-12

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-duty-to-warn-a7694316.html

Here's a discussion of a book written by Dr Lee and other mental health professionals about the need to address this important and dangerous feature of Trump. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6145972/

If you can't see progressive loss of cognitive ability in Trump since 2016 then I'm going to question your assessment skills.  That's a ridiculous denial.  Trump's symptoms of dementia are long term and persistent and progressive since he rode that golden elevator in 2015. The decline in verbal and communication skills is especially noticeable.  At this point in time Trump has significant difficulty answering a specific single topic question. His answers reflect a deeply chaotic thought process with no real focus or substance.  He frequently confuses people and events.  Trump uses measurably more vulgar language in his public appearances than in his previous campaigns.  

https://www.statnews.com/2024/08/07/trump-mental-health-linguistic-analysis-suggests-potential-cognitive-decline-experts-say/

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/look-new-york-times-suddenly-discovers-trumps-cognitive-decline.html

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According to a computer analysis by The New York Times, Mr. Trump's rally speeches now last an average of 82 minutes, compared with 45 minutes in 2016. Proportionately, he uses 13 percent more all-or-nothing terms like "always" and "never" than he did eight years ago, which some experts consider a sign of advancing age.

Similarly, he uses 32 percent more negative words than p ositive words now, compared with 21 percent in 2016, which can be another indicator of cognitive change. And he uses swearwords 69 percent more often than he did when he first ran, a trend that could reflect what experts call disinhibition. (A study by Stat, a health care news outlet, produced similar findings.)

Mr. Trump frequently reaches to the past for his frame of reference, often to the 1980s and 1990s, when he was in his tabloid-fueled heyday. He cites fictional characters from that era like Hannibal Lecter from "Silence of the Lip" (he meant "Silence of the Lambs”), asks "where's Johnny Carson, bring back Johnny" (who died in 2005) and ruminates on how attractive Cary Grant was (“the most handsome man”). He asks supporters whether they remember the landing in New York of Charles Lindbergh, who actually landed in Paris and long before Mr. Trump was born.

I guess I'm not surprised that you didn't retain the information that I began my nursing career as a trained psychiatric nurse working in a regional psychiatric hospital. I practiced some more psych nursing in the community in home care, there are some pretty unwell people living without much in the way of assistance or supervision.  I'm more qualified than many to offer up my opinion about mental illness and we all have freedom to voice our opinions and assessments.   Just like you believe you were qualified to claim Biden has dementia (he doesn't) or that Trump doesn't show signs of dementia (he does), it's your right to express those opinions.