5th e-Cigarette Death Reported As Illnesses Double

I know as a nurse I shouldn't make judgements.....but this is like drinking a whole bottle of vodka and waking up with a killer hang over. What did these people think would happen? The potency of it is so much more than a cigarette by the looks of the smoke.

11 hours ago, Snatchedwig said:

I know as a nurse I shouldn't make judgements.....but this is like drinking a whole bottle of vodka and waking up with a killer hang over. What did these people think would happen? The potency of it is so much more than a cigarette by the looks of the smoke.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/09/vaping-illnesses-dont-warrant-an-ecigarette-ban-philip-morris.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Understand that many “vapers” are looking for a safer alternative to smoking and our own government is looking to stifle and eliminate that as a possibility without doing any research at all.

http://www.casaa.org/

educate yourself - don’t be a tool of big tobacco.

15 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

The research that I dug up in just ten minutes of research shows that vaping affects the cognitive development of the teenage brain, contributes to DNA alterations that may cause certain cancers, increases by nearly 100% the development of obstructive lung disease (popcorn lung) in people who have never smoked and more. In fact people are developing this popcorn lung after only a few years of vaping vs development of such conditions after decades of smoking

https://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/new-study-finds-that-average-diacetyl.html

"Table 1. Average inhaled daily diacetyl dose associated with smoking vs. vaping
Vaping: 9 micrograms
Smoking: 6718 micrograms."

Despite the much higher levels of diacetyl in tobacco smoke than in e-cigarette vapor, smoking has not been associated with "popcorn lung."

Thus, it is clearly misrepresenting the scientific evidence to conclude that vaping increases the risk of "popcorn lung" or that vaping causes "popcorn lung."

"The authors of the article argue that "due to the associations between diacetyl, bronchiolitis obliterans and other severe respiratory diseases among workers inhaling heated vapors containing diacetyl, urgent action is recommended...".

However, nowhere in the article do the authors recommend that "urgent action" be taken due to the presence of high levels of diacetyl in tobacco smoke (750 times higher, on average, than in e-cigarette aerosol)."

That article wasn't written by an e-cig industry hack - look his credentials over yourself - then compare the histrionics on all of the news articles regarding vaping deaths and injuries posted over the past couple of weeks.

Popcorn lung isn't new news - it's old news being pushed by those with a clear financial incentive to keep people smoking real, taxable cigarettes.

There's another side to "protecting children from vapes".

34 million (adult) Americans smoke - 15% of the population. A measurable number of people have been able to get off of "real" cigarettes with E-cigs, nearly always after trying "approved" methods of quitting. Gum, patches, lozenges & Chantix have a one-year failure rate of 93-97%.

Anything that can possibly help is something that should be thoroughly investigated and encouraged. I'm not advocating on behalf of Juul, as I'm not convinced their motives are pure - but no one needs to advocate for them, as they've done a great job of buying their way into government approval after the government bans all of their competition.

Ugh. I'm in MA and presently the brilliant governor has banned all vaping related products for 4 months.

The research is pretty clear, and has been - that these illnesses are tied to the oil based mediums in THC vaping products - mostly iliict ones.

Vodka comes in many flavors, but it's not for kids. Cigarettes kill how many? They weren't banned.

Its better not to start either habit, of course. Certainly if you don't smoke you shouldn't start vaping but for many of us it was a means to an end.

Five years smoke free and if I'm not creative I'll have to go back to smoking if I'm not able to stop vaping. (I won't really do that because I"ll drive to maine if I have to but many will)

I think the complete banning of vaping products some municipalities are doing is an unnecessary knee jerk reaction to this issue. The vast majority of vapers that are experiencing illness are being reported as using illegal substances that are obviously not commercially prepared and contain God knows what ingredients besides THC. Dealers will of course purchase cheap equipment and combine their primary product with cheap fillers to increase their profit margin. It's these cheap fillers that are the most likely culprit for causing the health issues.

Punishing the entire industry because of those people that choose to modify the equipment and use them to vape illegal substances is a bit of overkill that is destroying many small businesses. I don't have the same concern for the big tobacco owned businesses like the extremely popular Juul, they have enough big money doctors and lawyers on their payroll to spin this story to fit their narrative. It's the small business owners that opened their vape shop with the expectation of making a living that are suffering with no recourse when local governments jump on the "shut it down" bandwagon without considering the impact.

I'm not saying there is no adverse effect to vaping commercially prepared products, what I am saying is more research and testing should have been done before the situation went this far because we just don't definitively know what those effects are. Allowing an industry to expand to this extent without fully understanding the effects of the product they are selling was never a good idea to begin with but that cat is out of the bag. Seems like the government allowed this industry to proliferate too fast and now all these local businesses are the one's left holding that bag. Definitely more research and testing still needs to be done to determine the long term effects vaping has on the body compared to the effects of smoking traditional cigarettes but in the short term what are these vape shop owners supposed to do when their business goes under and they have no income but still have to pay the rent on a building they can't operate their business out of?

I guess in retrospect it's not surprising that an industry that started as a way to offer an alternative to tobacco to adult smokers took off. I know several adult smokers that used vaping as an effective aid to to quit smoking cigarettes. I also know several adult smokers that supplement traditional tobacco use with vaping, especially when they are in a place where they can't smoke but can get away with vaping. There's even a term for it, "stealth vaping." If adults figured out stealth vaping that quickly why is anybody surprised that kids figured out that trick? I'm still not sure if big tobacco getting involved in the vaping industry is a good thing or not. They have the money and resources to drive further research, but then they also have the money and resources to drive the advertising machine that I am sure played in big part in making these products appealing to a wider audience including teens.

Follow the money. Big tobacco has a huge stake in making vaping products illegal. Follow the money.

On 9/12/2019 at 8:48 AM, hppygr8ful said:

It doesn't surprise me that these diagnoses are skyrocketing exponentially. The role of vaping and e-cigarette's in the development of obstructive lung disease has been pretty well documented since around 2012 (As shown by 10 evidence based articles I posted in another thread on this topic. ) The CDC after-all is involved in epidemiologic research which looks at morbidity and mortality with a population over time. Now that the CDC researchers know what they are looking for I suspect we will see far more diagnoses related to vaping.

The research that I dug up in just ten minutes of research shows that vaping affects the cognitive development of the teenage brain, contributes to DNA alterations that may cause certain cancers, increases by nearly 100% the development of obstructive lung disease (popcorn lung) in people who have never smoked and more. In fact people are developing this popcorn lung after only a few years of vaping vs development of such conditions after decades of smoking.

Honestly I don't care if people want to vape though I continue to take exception with people who need several 10 minute breaks in a workday for their "fix". Just please don't try to say it's safe.

Hppy

5 deaths is an 'exponential skyrocket'? Cigarettes killed more people in the time it took me to type this...

Inhaling heated gases damages your lungs? No way!

Recently we had a presentation about these products at my job. It does surprise me how many people were surprised by the consequences of using vaping devices. What scares me is how many children have access to these products.

I remember when this hit the headlines.

Then Covid...