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Hey Catfostermom, Im a guy and I 100% agree with your post. Anyway, my dear Catfostermom, I am happy to read about a wife like you, who cares about her husbands dignity as a wife should. I BELEIVE YOU.

Hello, I'm considering taking an Assistant Director of Nursing position in a well-known, large hospital system. I have many years experience in ICU and floor as well as Oncology. I see threads on ADON's in LTC facilities and Nursing homes, but nothing on Assistant Director of nursing in a Hospital setting. This would be my first "official" position in management, although I have essentially done the work of Nurse Administration whilst working at various places as Charge Nurse. Can anyone provide any insight? I figured it is similar to Nurse Administration, but curious to hear real-world perspectives. Thanks!

Thank You. This is great information. I plan to follow up with them soon as well. I can start a new term on Sept 1st, so I will see what they say.

Hmm, I have a BSN, although not from WGU, but I am Alumnus. Seems like they should have offered this to all alumni at least?

Doing a similar strategy. I actually already completed my MBA and starting my MSN in a week or so. I think this is the best of both worlds. Just even preliminary searches on Google show this combo to be excellent for top tier jobs. So stick with it! From my understanding, with this combo, a whole new world of Nurse Executive, CNO, Director or Nursing etc. opens up. Of course, it varies with experience, but as with all things, you gotta learn somewhere, and companies realize that and mentor you until you get the swing of it all so to speak :.) Do research as well, and small piece of advice...start making nurse management friends at your place of work. They will clue you in to the low down once you are finished and help you score a good position. Or at least help mentor you in the ways of management. Good Luck!

I COMPLETELY agree with this post. Any female nurses who come here and deny this are just disingenuous and a bad faith actor in the game. Then you are simply putting blinders over your eyes. Which is fine. You have your right. But maybe open your understanding to the fact that this is certainly real and still happens and exists abundantly today.

And? You bet its still going. That's typical of women like you. You want to brush under the rug someone else's legit complaint. Until #MeToo happens to you, then the world should stop right? Give me a break. Just go back to sleep. You are certainly free to not come back here and respond.

Well, that's just it. You dont really get a say so, at least, not in regards to the double standard. I mean, there will always be women who will say "they" dont feel this way. For you, we arent talking about. However, there IS a majority of women and men, who do accept this double standard and live by it. No one exception doesnt mean the concept is disproven.

I see your point, indeed I do. But try as we might, it IS true. It is certainly not being too dramatic. I have seen Directors of Nursing, male and female, look at male patients who complain, and brush them off. These people should know better, but alas, the stigma remains. You're a guy? The double standard dictates that you "should" love any and all female touch. You just aren't being realistic to say that this stigma doesn't still pervade our society today. I don't say you can't speak up, my point is that it is still VERY MUCH seen that you should somewhat like it, or deep down, "appreciate" the fact that some female is willing to coddle your junk. Lets be real here. Most men will vary on this depending on their mood. Some will point out the old "where was she, when I was in high school", and some will be able to accurately point out the double standard. Heck, I do both at times myself. I have seen men complain and I was like "look at that chick, what the hell are you complaining about sir" And I have also felt that men should, and need and deserve more privacy, and that not enough care is taken to give it. Most times we do both. But the stigma and double standard still exists. It is not at all being over-dramatic. What you do there is another male tactic that ultimately hurts us. We DOWNPLAY too much s***.

Correct! I see that nonsense all the time. I've worked with so many horrible, lazy NP's. And the good ones? LOL! They were working so hard to make up for the bad ones, they were terribly, irrevocably burnt out. No thanks. I am proud of my decision. I don't want anymore nursing. I know this is ALLNURSES forum, but I will shout to the freaking rooftop. Nursing is NOW OVER-RATED. Yes, we garner the community respect. Yes, we have a good salary. But the glory days of nursing are gone. Long gone. I would listen to older nurses talking about what nursing USED to be. Not anymore. Nowadays, you better not forget to cover EVERY inch of that ***, or you're done. Go on, leave a centimeter of your *** uncovered in today's nursing world. You will fry. You will die a painful death of blame and condescension. You will be blamed for everything. And all that hard work and dedication? LOL! Well, you got nurses week right? LOL! Go on, take that "nurses week" appreciation for all your hard work. Go on, suck a Florence Nightingale lolipop! LOL! Come on. Now sure, I realize that management has its flaws and downsides too, but its worth it, and it is the logical next step up. Nurses will fight me on this, but I also have the precious "Evidence Based Practice" garbage we nurses love so much, to back it up. Many theorists propose that the "NP is not the next logical or professional step for nursing. No. Not at all. It is the Nurse Manager. Alot of people are confused by this. They think: " oh well, I'm an RN, let me get my FNP. Ho hum, La dee da de doo." Nope. It's the Nurse Manager. The NP actually helps the MD and the Medical Profession, NOT the nursing profession. Think about it. How does the NP advance nursing? It doesnt. It helps doctors. Yes, help doctors. Oh no! Shock of all shocks! Yes, you have some wonderful NP's who will come to work and do a wonderful job, helping the nurses, but technically, that is NOT their job description. For all those that doubt me? Go look that s*** up. You might be sorely surprised how much the NP serves the doctor, than it does the actual nursing profession. I realized all this by paying attention and studying my *** off. I listened intently to older nurses and their experiences, as young nurses should, (even if we don't like their self-described, "I'm the best nurse", "I've seen it all", all-knowing, wise, condescending attitudes) its wise to at least pay attention) because its just smart to listen. Now I get to be cynical, but I'm also being honest. For all those who dislike my tone, OK, I know I write somewhat harshly, but my words are true. Agree completely with my collegue above. Get something other than the FNP. That is, if you intend on ACTUALLY helping the nursing profession.

That's what I love! I knew you would be fine. Yes, the internet is just not filled with people waiting to build you up anymore. They wanna tear down and make others feel bad. Some sick, weird, sensation they get when they walk away knowing they could be mean and cruel without consequence through their dirty, smelly keyboards. LOL! Yes, there is some solid advice sprinkled through the thread, but the trick is determining which ones have your best interest, and which ones are just unnecessarily mean and hurtful. You ALWAYS have to be defensive on the internet. People are just not kind as in the first days of the web. Now maliciousness and "I'm sorry honey, you were wrong" is mostly all you get. Forget that! You are a fine nurse and a good person. Anyone who innately takes up nursing as a profession, for whatever reason, is heading down the right path. Some more noble than others, but still, the right path. I have failed so many times, but I NEVER let people punish me for it. You are a good person. Who gives a *** what others say? Especially when they carry this foolish "I'm telling you off" type attitude. I'm glad you left this crazy condescending thread for a while, and when you returned, it was a good response. I'm very happy to hear you are doing great, and I wish nothing but the best for you! Stay safe and well!

Very interesting thread. I definitely feel it is tougher for men in this profession. Pants down...er..I mean, Hands down. I have watched women run in and out of a "well endowed" unconscious patient's room, taking good looks at his "assets". I had to chase them like the little school girls that they were. No backlash or outrage there. I then watched these same women line up and form a barricade to a super model's room who was admitted to my hospital, who had her shirt slightly unbuttoned, and a few of my male friends, who were fans, wanted to take a tiny peek. "Oh my gosh, those males were so nasty! Fire them at once!" they said. LOL! What is fair here? LOL! We all know the double standard. I think men have it tough all around. I sympathize with women. But this field is not one of them. Women get the most respect here. Try as we like it or not. Men BETTER not complain if a female wants to touch their genitalia. They should like it too. Go on, do a breast "exam" when you should be doing a sternal rub. Do you wanna die bro? LOL! Heck, be QUALIFIED, and still yet, touch that woman's breast for ONE second too long, and youre done. Men want and need privacy too. They just cant complain, or theyre being difficult. Whereas, women get whole HOSPITALS for themselves. Go figure. Maybe I should use my MBA to open a MALES only hospital and rake in the damn dough.

Also, you gotta remember, some people only come online to spew hatred and "tell-off" others. Who cares what some person seeking to "admonish" you has to say? Its the internet. Dont take ANYONE'S words to heart. Yes, not even my own. I wish that you do listen to my advice, but that's the beauty of it, you dont have to. People are a funny thing. As long as you keep coming here and asking people to "stop" tearing you down, you are in fact, begging for more punishment. NEVER give people this power over you. NEVER. Be strong. Dont be afraid to TELL PEOPLE OFF YOURSELF. I used to be this way. I haven't changed my nice nature, but now, I realize, it is all psychological. Tell people to stop, and they will lay on more. Stand up for yourself and fight. PEOPLE will back down. Dont say "When it will stop" babe. YOU stop this negative feedback. Fight back babe. You can do it. If you KNOW yourself, then dont let anyone tell you anything different. As I said above, dont sweat it, I was fired twice from my jobs when I first started out. Even if you HAVE experience, bad things can still happen too. You dont have to learn from a damn thing. You posted your experience, and you see just how "helpful" people really can be. I personally dont let ANYONE come at me. I fight. Tooth and nail. You can fight too. You are fine. You had a small bad experience. You will be fine babe.

Meh. Don't worry about it. Too many nursing jobs that need nurses. I was fired from my first 2 nursing jobs. My first 2! I had no experience, and NO ONE was willing to help me. But time passes. Someone will hire you. You will go on to gain great experience. Dont sweat it. It happens more than you know. People are hired and fired almost everyday. We need to come away from this stigma. You were fired? Meh. Apply to another hospital, and forget that hospital existed. You will be just fine. You are a nurse. You will ALWAYS have work. Now, I will leave a job and QUIT for the pettiest of things IF I want to. Now the ball is in my court, and "I" have the advantage. I have experience. You will get some as well, as time goes on. Dont even bat an eye if you are terminated. For WHATEVER reason, it just didn't work out. I read earlier in the thread that OP was spoken to unfairly? OP, I say to you, forget all the negative words. Leaving a nursing job is like finding another grocery store or supermarket. There's always another one around the corner. Literally.

My 2 Cents... I hated bedside... No, let me rephrase that. I did ICU night shift for 6 years and was "READY" for a change. Yeah, that's better. I went into Outpatient Oncology. I have loved it ever since. I work 4 x 10 hour shifts, NO NIGHTS, NO HOLIDAYS, NO WEEKENDS. EVER. I love it. I work in an outpatient office, and we work directly with doctors and np's and see patients as they come in for their follow up visits and chemotherapy treatments. I paid my dues, and as soon as I could get out, I was gone faster than the roadrunner. Point is, you got options. MANY. Don't sell yourself short, and no one hospital is the be all, end all. MANY MANY MANY hospitals out there. I am making a good salary, and I am happy. Dont be afraid to keep changing jobs every 6 months if you have to, until you find what you like. Heck, thats what I did. Find your happiness, and stick with it.

Cont'd from above post... Plus, Hell NO, I aint struggling with clinicals no more. I have worked with some poor, sorry NP's who I could run rings around them, for all their training. I was enrolled in a FNP-DNP program, and when I realized what it was, I "nope'd" the hell out. Good NP's are in short supply. Too many nurses RUN to FNP school for what? For prescriptive authority? More pay? Nurses with experience make almost just as much as most NP's. LOL! Sure, Nurses don't have the privilege to see patients, but we know just as much about meds and taking care of patients already, and how many nurses end up recommending drugs to MD's and NP's anyways? Be honest. Nurses do that all the time. How many of you are paid to help the MD or NP with their work? Nada. No, I say, do something else. I thought about it, and there is just as much shortage of Management as there are FNP's. I instead, RAN and got my MBA. Now, I will go out there and seek someone to give me a chance, or perhaps find a business mentor in my organization, and gain that management experience. I say, go for something else OTHER than FNP. As someone mentioned earlier, this is becoming a trend, and more and more schools are offering shorter MBA's.

I'm an RN and I just finished my MBA. Planning on working on a second degree in Management and Leadership. I'm not doing this "FNP" thing EVERY nurse runs to, like there's nothing else to be done. If I can help it, NO MORE NURSING for me. Plus I SEE how absolutely MISERABLE some FNP's are. Plus, I currently literally make only SLIGHTLY less than them. Like only a couple thousand. LOL! NOPE. No thanks. I'm gonna instead go to where I can be the BOSS, in higher administration and still make the same, if not more than FNP's. Plus, I gets to be their boss too. LOL! Go on, I'm new here, so I suspect others will not like what I said. Attack away! :.)

Sounds super inevitable. We are pretty much at Spring 2020 though. Not that COVID is helping... Anyone hear anything or any news? I asked my program mentor and she literally had zero idea what I was talking about :.)

Can you shed some information about admission ? cost ? length of class ? Clinical hours ? curriculum requirements to graduate ? Thanks!

Isn't the ONS the same as OCN? ONS is the Oncology Nurse Society and the OCN (Oncology Certified Nurse) is one of the certifications offered by ONS. I would definitely recommend the OCN. It is pretty much the same as ICU nurses getting the CCRN.

Yes! Take it as many times as you have too!!!!! GEEZ!! People coming on here and saying that the op shouldnt take it again should be ashamed of themselves!!!!!!! I took my LPN NCLEX 4 times before I passed. I took my RN NCLEX 2 times. NEVER EVER GIVE UP!!!!!! I don't give a rat's testicle if you gotta take an exam 20 times. As long as they allow you to take it, you have/had every right to do so. These people here didnt live your life. They don't know you. They don't know where you walked, or where you are going. I repeat: NEVER EVER GIVE UP. As long as there is life, there is a chance. Forget about (the ones) telling you not to do something you set your heart to do. By the way, Im glad you passed. Thank God. HE was always encouraging you, even if idiots like the people here on this thread didn't.

Hey All, I just applied to the Walden FNP Program. I live in NY. Anyone from NY going there? I hope to start at the end of Aug. '16 or as soon as accepted. I read alittle on their website about them only accepting students from certain states. I still wanna attend the program though. I figure when the time comes, if I have to give another address in a different state to sit for my boards, I have no problems moving, as there are at least 3 states that border me that they accept students from. Anyone else encounter any such issues? As far as reading this thread, I have been encouraged and hope to start as soon as possible. I have been reading the website thoroughly, but they don't list all the relevant class info based on time. Can anyone who has completed the program tell me how the class structure goes? Is it 5 or 6 week classes? How many assignments per class? Can you complete the program in 1.5 years if you take 2 classes per term? Any relevant info would be appreciated! Thanks!