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Since there is a glut of new grads and for that matter nurses the government should immediately eliminate the H1B visa program. Then if that doesn't do the trick of our tax dollars being spent to educate people only to be left in debt with a useless degree then cut back government support of those schools, including loans and pell grants. The lack of compassion and blame the victim attitude I am hearing in this discussion is not what I would expect from this profession.

Please tell us all where these places are. The year i graduated the only recruiters to show up to a job fair at an expensive Catholic university required new grads to do 2 years in Iraq. That opportunity no longer exists.

And when that student is doing research they should not be misled by false information from that nursing school. Most of the schools in my area stopped lying about the shortage a couple of years ago but have kept the number of grads the same. Which is interesting since they had in the course of a year just before the reality was obvious doubled the size of the graduating class at my state run school and most others. They nursing schools have a vested interest. The professors also cannot re-enter the profession and/or left because of age discrimination.

You already have one expensive jobless degree with way too many people in the field. But at least with law they aren't adding insult to injury by flooding even more people in with visas. Think very carefully about spending more time and money.

The state of Florida and many others now try to generate revenue by selling criminal histories on the internet to anyone with a credit card. The FBI intends to enter this new field of commerce known as data mining with a billion dollars startup (paid for with Homeland Security tax funded dollars) over the next ten years. More than half of their data is arrest only and one out of three americans are arrested before their 24th birthday. They will be offering employers an additional service of continuous ongoing notification of arrests. That is the interesting part as we used to have innocent until proven guilty in the USA. I would venture to say that such notification could interfere with a person being able to pay for a lawyer. This also impacts victims of identity theft and those with common names as the internet companies and for that matter the states have little accountability for accuracy. In our current job market this can have devastating impact. Stay strong and sober for the challenges you will be facing. If you care about our basic right about innocent until proven guilty even if you feel safe from this new big brother threat let your legislators know your concerns.

Just part of the culture. How many times have you heard discussions about how perturbed overweight patients make staff? At least se spared you the anger. The thing is would you have half as many patients without the fat ones? It's helpful to render advice when asked for but venting one's hatred for fat people while the fat patient is under anesthesia or you otherwise think they cannot hear you is all too frequent an event. Give her a few years and she will find out tht losing weight is a little more complicated than having someone lecture you. Life experience is so important isn't it?

Isn't the premise that they will incur increased heath care costs they same criteria that behooves employers not to hire workers over 40?

Congratulations on getting that critical first job. There definitely are strained circumstances if a person with only 6 months is acting as preceptor. However, that sort of flexibility could be utilized for change. Perhaps one of the complainers could use their insight to effect useful new policies. In a different scenario there are just other problems like established staff resenting and undermining newbies. This is an overloaded competitive field. Your best strategy is to stick to your guns of prioritizing the patients. That can be a challenge anywhere. i have observed that some people use their internet access on cell phones to access information while they are on clinicals. Probably not entirely practical. I know that may be only better than nothing ....just stay safe for the patients. I think you have the picture that its the real reason for being a nurse.

Don't wait out too long because then you will be considered stale and have to hunt down the rare and elusive nursing refresher course. Hard to stay upbeat when you feel overwhelmed but put on a brave face. Good luck.

Go to the hospital where you hope to find employment and see if any of the new grads they hire are over 30. Or if they hire new grads at all....

We should always remember that hearing is the last to go. Kindness and kind words are never wasted.

grasshopper do enlighten us where is the urban area where you know of a shortage? As for baby boomers supplying you with a coming shortage. Don't hold your breath they have 401Ks instead of pensions and little if any health insurance. I think nurse educators should recuse themselves from the discussion as they have a vested interest.

I feel they do imply a shortage. I emailed them that the situation is quite the opposite and they wrote back claiming there is a shortage and a projected shortage coming down the pike any day now. Not only have all the nursing schools cranked up enrollment, doubling and tripling size, HiB visas still happening, mass layoffs and mechanization, bank online print your own, outsourcing, etc. there is a more than ample supply of nurses. A symptom of this: You are considered stale after one year postgrad or out of the field. And there is rampant age discrimination. I hope someday all these people who have invested in themselves and undergone a rigorous educations will get to be nurses. But everyone should know the truth of the situation. The ad is misleading. It is nice to pay tribute to nurses though.

400 hundred years of spanish colonialism some cultural backlash. English is learned all through schooling in the Philippines. No reason to not speak it in a professional setting. It should be suspect when staff does not reflect the general population. So we learn there is racism in groups other than white people. This should be a moot point in a country with high unemployment and so many unemployed. Write your congressman and question why we still have so many H1b visas with so many coming out of nursing school to no job.

I lso had a clinical instructor who had big attitude against her older student - me. She asked me to turn in a 10 page paper a week early with one day notice. I had a job and 2 kids. She constantly harped on ironing scrubs which I did and never noticed that one of the young students who hated her not only didn't iron she didn't wash her for the entire 6 weeks. Immature and wrong. She got an A. Even though I saved this creep's career when I disobeyed her demand to inject an incompatible (actually most are so never do this) med into a tpn line she was waving in my face she gave me an A- and refused to give me a letter of reference. There is heavy duty age discrimination in nursing and it is often from the older nurses themselves who project their own physical and mental burnout. If you are investing in a second career I would suggest you look into something else but then it is all through our society. Which is unfortunate for boomers as they generally lack the pensions and homes and medical insurance of the generation just preceding them.

ariansas do you think that in some cases having already been on the floor for 20 or 30 years might be a factor rather than the raw age itself?

Cross your leg putting your foot lengthwise down your leg so that your foot is pointing down your thigh towards your knee. This will give your plantar fasci a gentle stretch. Get off your feet as much as possible in conjunction with this and other gentle stretches. Wear good arch support at all times. Get rid of any shoes that do not have arch supports.

Nursing refresher course meeting had two msn from a good private college, another young bilingual citizen who had senior preceptorship in a burn unit and other good experience, and so forth... not very encouraging. Don't count on others retiring.I just don't see all these older nurses at any of the hospitals here. There were over a million licensed nurses not working before the Recession. Jumping back in? Don't hold your breath several nurses with lots of experience but over 40 and some not so old. As for maybe limiting the constant influx of foreign nurses... well that is unlikely to happen either. People are afraid to speak up as it seems mean spirited. The legislation increasing insurance access was watered down by the party of No. Meanwhile many insurance companies are raising rates as much as 39% so many more will have to give it up. Meanwhile, tax dollars are being wasted on studies claiming there is and will be a nursing shortage.

Bilingual, male, young, previous medical experience.

In today's competitive job market getting into sigma theta tau is an edge many people want. Since it goes by class percentage not grade average believe me lots of people will cheat even if they have outstanding knowledge. I missed getting in by 2 people. Cheating in my school was widespread. In fact some people had little money generating schemes behind it. The male students all developed very sensitive bladders during tests and their blackberries kept them from having to put in too many hours. One was also found out to be cutting clinical hours extensively and even though there was a policy of missing two for any reason resulted in failing (and being kicked out) he was defended by some professors and allowed to stay. He is now an ICU nurse. Hope he keeps his blackberry at all times. One can take lots of extra time to study after school and carry those ill gotten grades into their resume and hospitals now look at your transcript...There was a massive cheating scandal for an out of the country nclex location. Someone posted here that their version of the test is easier to begin with.

Medical terminology and other skills that are given short shrift because of some nonsense like the adult learning model, weeding out, critical thinking is a disservice to nurses and patients. Why pay tuition? Why dither around with silly group projects? Hospitals do not want to pay for extensive new grad training with the huge surplus of student nurses hitting the market. It's already expensive to sacrifice income and pay for nursing school so now we should feel we need to self initiate and take side courses? Phlebotemy courses are either heavily impacted with wait lists or very expensive.

You can do nursing school. I did it with children and a part time job. And an elderly parent to take care of. I just missed getting into sigma theta... But tell it to the nurse recruiters. Your goal is to actually work as a nurse, right? Right now it is very competitive to get a job in nursing. The market is flooded. There is far less age discrimination in teaching. Not many jobs there either but less emphasis on age. Encouraging people to exhaust their resources (time and money) is cruel if it is unlikely to be hired. It would be nice to hear from someone who hires. Have any written in and said they hire 40+,56 yo etc? Don't hold your breath. As far as setting limits the US Army sets a limit at 42 to join. The coast guard lower still. They need nurses. I understand that right now they are waiving the age limit but you have to run a 12 minute mile and some other fitness requirements.

When people in their thirties refer to themselves as older nursing students it is telling. I mean come on! I do think 70 is generally getting out there. Although in my 20s I had a friend who would drive me to exhaustion hiking up mountains. He had been a professional dancer for many years. There is investment if a hospital gives you new grad training. But younger nurses often quit after a year or two. A person who is being discriminated against for their age is likely to stay on. It is a lot easier to get into nursing school than get a new grad position. If you are older then your education may be in vain.

Who is telling you it is worth it? Nursing professors? They have a motive which is their teaching job. Do you have prior medical experience? Are you bilingual? They prefer males these days too. Have you worked physical jobs on your feet jobs before? Do you have connections? When they get over 400 resumes for an opening do you think they read them all? I wish it wasn't true but your chances are slim of getting to use your degree. Many people in their 50s and 60s might be strong enough but statistically the recruiter is thinking of benefits and stats not your desire to be a nurse. Or that you would be less likely to quit in a year so hope for the best but be informed that there is NO shortage and they have many many people to chose from. Talk to the nurses you meet on your clinicals they might be more straightforward.

They will take your tuition at the school but will the employers invest in you and select you for new grad training? There are many experienced nurses your age that cannot find work so give it a long hard look. There is the opposite of a shortage and will be for some time to come. The health insurance reform bill is stalled and many people have lost their jobs/insurance. It is my opinion that nursng is far more age discriminatory than other professions are.Look around the ospitals where you want to work do you see many over 40 nurses on the floor?