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Praying in the work place

Hi everybody,

I'm three months into my new job as a hospice RNCM and have been learning a lot. I generally love, love, love my job.

My question today is about praying in the workplace. I know that Medicare requires a spiritual counselor on staff, but I also know that patients can refuse that service.

At my work place, meetings have recently started to begin with prayer lead by the SC. This seems a bit odd to me, coming from years of experience in the work world where things like prayer before meetings did not happen.

Also, I hear a lot of statements from fellow workers that I find offensive regarding patients having a hard time with EOL because they "don't have a belief system." They have a belief system, it just may not be the same as other people. From my limited experience, it seems people die differently, not relatable solely to their belief system. Some with strong beliefs have a hard time, others who don't believe find peace at the end.

I will pray with my patients all they want if that brings them peace and comfort, but prayer in the work place feels like a violation.

Thoughts?

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The ONLY thing anyone has to do "today” is simply believe that Christ was the son of God, was crucified, buried, resurrected from the dead and currently at the right hand of God, in heavenly places:

i am sitting here with a half-smile, somewhat incredulous that you perceive the above criteria as seemingly peripheral.

this is a major consideration as to why many don't embrace Christianity...

because it is just so inconceivable and contingent.

i think i've said what i needed to.

have a great day.

leslie

Good luck to you FSUNurse2b.

Good luck to you FSUNurse2b.

Thank you!

i am sitting here with a half-smile, somewhat incredulous that you perceive the above criteria as seemingly peripheral.

this is a major consideration as to why many don't embrace Christianity...

because it is just so inconceivable and contingent.

i think i've said what i needed to.

have a great day.

leslie

I'll only say this:

I completely understand and agree with you that many don't embrace Christianity today because it seems inconceivable and contingent. The fault does rest upon other Christians, many of which have a tendancy to "condemn" people. But if they only took His Word to heart, when he said:

John 3:17

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

And also mix in with that, "religion", and it's a recipe doomed to fail, with all it's observances, traditions, rituals, sacrements, etc, etc. It's enough to make anyone run in the opposite direction.

The apostle Paul, writing to the Colossians, some 30 years after Christ's ascension, wrote:

Colossians 2: 8-9; 20-23

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

20 Therefore,[e] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Man, (with his "religion"), makes it "seemingly peripheral" to many.

Take care.

Perhaps you will be happiest in a faith based organization where your fierce Christian beliefs will be most supported in your professional practice.

For most of us, faith is a personal issue that is NOT expressed in our work, per se...although other believers may recognize our faith at play.

As you work with amazing people from all walks of life you will have to find a way to keep your faith in a personal place in order to enjoy the full spectrum of interaction with them. Muslims, Jews, agnostics, atheists, etc all practice within our field and are patients in our facilities/specialties. Our charge is to meet them where they are...and care for them to the best of our ability.

Faith is important to us individually. It is not so important professionally and is not a requirement to be a fabulous nurse.

Perhaps you will be happiest in a faith based organization where your fierce Christian beliefs will be most supported in your professional practice.

For most of us, faith is a personal issue that is NOT expressed in our work, per se...although other believers may recognize our faith at play.

As you work with amazing people from all walks of life you will have to find a way to keep your faith in a personal place in order to enjoy the full spectrum of interaction with them. Muslims, Jews, agnostics, atheists, etc all practice within our field and are patients in our facilities/specialties. Our charge is to meet them where they are...and care for them to the best of our ability.

Faith is important to us individually. It is not so important professionally and is not a requirement to be a fabulous nurse.

I completely agree and I totally understand the nature of the workplace. It's just not the place to "wear" our beliefs on our sleeves, if that makes any sense. I commented on this a couple days ago:

When I become a nurse, I will be absolutely careful not to tread on ANYONE about what I believe in. If I'm asked, that's a totally different story. So, for all you nurses trying to plant seeds, to help bring people to salvation, be very careful, as you have to feed yourself and your family!

For all those passionte about their belief/faith, it's not worth losing a job over, especially with a family to support. The apostle Paul sums this up so wonderfully:

1 Timothy 5:8

8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-13

10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

*** What kind of country is it?

It is one created by our Christian founding Fathers :)

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It is one created by our Christian founding Fathers :)

Not necessarily. From Forbes: Was America Founded As A Christian Nation? - Forbes

The most damning evidence of a non-Christian past is a humiliating 1797 treaty with the Barbary Pirates. President Adams sought to stem unremitting Muslim raids against Mediterranean shipping and protect American sailors from African slavery. This obscure treaty submitted, “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

It is one created by our Christian founding Fathers :)

LOL! Good one. Seriously though what kind of country is it?

LOL! Good one. Seriously though what kind of country is it?

Simply, one in which the "tide" is ever so slowly shifting in the other direction, most likely never to return. Some may say the world is becoming a better place, but not so:

2 Timothy 3: 1-9

3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.

Simply, one in which the "tide" is ever so slowly shifting in the other direction, most likely never to return. Some may say the world is becoming a better place, but not so:

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*** You can count me as one who knows the world is a better place than it has ever been. Those who don't agree simply don't understand history.

*** You can count me as one who knows the world is a better place than it has ever been. Those who don't agree simply don't understand history.

Yes, to some, "peace and safety" means the world is becoming a better place. But, what do you think the apostle Paul meant by these words in his letter to the Thessalonians, some 2,000 years ago? "History" says one thing. The Word of God, says another...

1 Thessalonians 5:1-15

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

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