Obamacare? what are your thoughts

You're not understanding me. I'm not trying to find a solution. There isn't one. Healthcare and health insurance should be private like any other industries. As I said, do nothing, however, a reduction in abuse of the myriad social welfare programs that we already have in place would be outstanding!

Private, as in the sector that trashed the system to begin with? Do we, once again, do the same thing and expect different results?

Feh! What y'all are dancing around is that the conservative alternative is to let 'em die. Who needs more poor people, anyhow.

Private, as in the sector that trashed the system to begin with? Do we, once again, do the same thing and expect different results?

Feh! What y'all are dancing around is that the conservative alternative is to let 'em die. Who needs more poor people, anyhow.

I go to work everyday in order to provide for myself and my family. I went to college and received two bachelor's degrees in order to this, and I paid for all of it. I'm furthering my education in pursuit of a master's degree, not for grins and giggles, but to better provide for my family, and I'm also paying for this. We also work in order to have health insurance, money to save for retirement, an employer sponsored retirement plan, and a host of other benefits. As a conservative, if you want it I believe you should have to work for it too.

It just doesn't matter that drug testing recipients of welfare or UEI has no value, does it? It simply adds a layer of further humiliation to the poor population who are asking for some assistance at a cost to the state. It was a failure in Florida, but hey, why bother with facts when emotional outrage over drug use among the poor works better? Florida didn't save money by drug testing welfare recipients, data shows | Tampa Bay Times

It makes so much sense that some don't want government to meddle in the business of business but really really want the government to meddle in the business of ordinary citizens, you know, like telling them how they may recreate (alcohol not marijuana), if they may access reproductive health care and how (requiring lady partsl ultrasounds just for the spite and humiliation), who you may love and marry (only heterosexual love is allowed), etc. Confused Libertarians should pay heed to Ron and Rand Paul as they clarify what the proper Libertarian positions should be.

As I said before, I don't expect to change your opinion or personal values on the subject of access to health care services for Americans. Your values represent your personal feelings on right v. wrong, good v. bad, etc. You are entitled to them and it is not required that we all have the same values or ethics in our personal lives.

You are more concerned with social welfare for the poor. I am more concerned with the corporate welfare for the wealthy.

I go to work everyday in order to provide for myself and my family. I went to college and received two bachelor's degrees in order to this, and I paid for all of it. I'm furthering my education in pursuit of a master's degree, not for grins and giggles, but to better provide for my family, and I'm also paying for this. We also work in order to have health insurance, money to save for retirement, an employer sponsored retirement plan, and a host of other benefits. As a conservative, if you want it I believe you should have to work for it too.

You're still dancing around it ... what you're saying is that the working poor can just die, already if they can't afford health insurance.

You're still dancing around it ... what you're saying is that the working poor can just die, already if they can't afford health insurance.

To be blunt, I'm not saying that. I am, however, saying don't tax me so they may live.

I actually agree with this, with the addition of a sliding scale premium based on income. But, that's not what happened.

So you would have been in favor a public option?

To be blunt, I'm not saying that. I am, however, saying don't tax me so they may live.

Your argument over the last few pages seems pretty clear, it's not a right and people who can't afford it are out of luck.

To actually act on this belief does mean just letting some people die, that's what happens someone comes into the ER, turns out they need acute hospital care to live, and we don't give it to them. I'm not sure what you think happens when healthcare isn't considered a right.

To be blunt, I'm not saying that. I am, however, saying don't tax me so they may live.

Is that how it works?

I don't want my tax dollars subsidizing fossil fuels then, or war, or corporate welfare. And can we please stop taxing the citizens to pay the salaries of the legislators who do the bidding of the corporate world and wealthy patrons rather than the working class tax payer?

My guess is that profitable corporations and billionaires will fare better without government welfare than sick and dying poor people with no access to health insurance.

As I said before, personal values are being reflected here.

So you would have been in favor a public option?

Done correctly, yes.

America is not a civilized nation. Civilized nations have a security net. Civilized nations take care of their own. A civilized nation has a single payer health system.

America is not a civilized nation. Civilized nations have a security net. Civilized nations take care of their own. A civilized nation has a single payer health system.

False dichotomy