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How Does This End?

We Watched and Planned ...

My husband and I began watching the Covid-19 numbers in early January. I remember sitting in our living room during a typically dark, cold Minnesota Winter day and discussing how it was going to go down. We debated going to the "big city" the first weekend of February for fear that it had already made its way to the United States. My husband plotted graphs and looked at the exponential growth, and he made predictions about what might happen if it did get out of China. We bought extra food, essentials, and began to save money. We talked late into the night about the potential scenarios that might unfold.

And, Waited

I watched, in horror, as it began to make its way around the world, and everything that we talked about in late-night conversations started to materialize. My husband and I wished that we could be wrong. The lack of PPE and the rate of health care worker infection weighed heavily on our minds. We were already homeschooling and had begun stocking up, so when things shut down, we were already reasonably prepared. Few things changed in our daily routine, except the loss of a once a week preschool for our youngest, church for all of us, and an evening kids club and date night for the two of us. We are both in the high-risk category, so we hunkered down and waited ... and waited ... and waited ...

Now, the Uncertainty

I was fortunate (or unfortunate enough to be high risk) to be able to be off work for a while. I am headed back in a few weeks after spending an amazing, once-in-a-lifetime Summer with my husband and three young kids. I am anxious about how I will assimilate back into nursing. I am apprehensive about how I will feel coming home to my family after 12 hours of potential exposure. I am still fairly worried about the PPE situation. I have little trust in the government agencies who are guiding our direction in this pandemic.

At the end of the day, however, I am just weary. I am tired of seclusion, but also feel safer in it. I am tired of thinking about the future outcome for myself, my family, our finances, my world, OUR world. I am tired of the uncertainty. I am sad for my children and how this is all going to affect their future.

Questions Unanswered

How long do we do this?

How long do I go without seeing any extended family for fear of exposing them, or us?

How long do I hesitantly go out in public, debating whether I should wear a mask when no one else is?

How long do we keep our already homeschooled children away from social networks and peers?

How long do we stay home from church, our community lifeline?

How do we prepare financially, mentally, spiritually?

How do we, as a collective body of healthcare providers, ensure that the career we chose is honored and protected?

I did not sign up to go to war. I signed up to care for people, show compassion, educate, and advocate, but not at the cost of my own life. My family, indeed, never agreed to be exposed to the dangers that I may face when I go to work. How do I justify the costs for them?

These are all rhetorical questions and each of us has our own set of questions, all with no concrete answers. How does this end? I suspect it will play out regardless of what containment measures are put into place. It only takes one moment of weakness to be potentially exposed.

What are your questions? Your answers? How in the world does this end?

Featured Replies

On 7/17/2020 at 5:42 AM, A Hit With The Ladies said:

The silver lining is that anti-American socialist types can use the COVID pandemic as a pretext to move to Vietnam or New Zealand or wherever else they want to without putting up with us pesky "noncompliant" freedom-lovers. Win-win for all of us.

Over 3 million cases in the US, over 140,000 deaths, 8% death rate, ranked first in the world for corona virus cases.

New Zealand, had about 1500 cases, 22 deaths and ranked 129th in the world for corona virus cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And FYI, this is not one time that America wants to be first on this list. You can keep your freedom loving ways because clearly its worked so well up until now. .

I enjoy getting to go out in society without having to wear a mask. Why, we put the hard work in and sure, the 4 weeks of level four lock down sucked. We squashed the curve. The US curve continues to rise.

4 hours ago, juniper222 said:

Even if masks are not 100% they are better than nothing. I would be remiss if I was asymptomatic and killed an elderly person because I chose not to wear one.

It is obvious we cannot stay in lockdown forever and need to take all precautions that are reasonable at this time.

Nobody but nobody has suggested we "stay in lock down forever". Ironically it is precisely because your president, and adulators created a politically opportunistic toxic culture war over something as common sense and minimally inconvenient in the form of public mask protection and social distancing, that the pandemic got out of control rather than being contained and/or snuffed out altogether as it was in every other developed nation.

I daresay you'll get your collapsed economy now . I'm sure you'll accept the fate maturely and cheerfully too. As always.

2 minutes ago, Tenebrae said:

Over 3 million cases in the US, over 140,000 deaths, 8% death rate, ranked first in the world for corona virus cases.

New Zealand, had about 1500 cases, 22 deaths and ranked 129th in the world for corona virus cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And FYI, this is not one time that America wants to be first on this list. You can keep your freedom loving ways because clearly its worked so well up until now. .

I enjoy getting to go out in society without having to wear a mask. Why, we put the hard work in and sure, the 4 weeks of level four lock down sucked. We squashed the curve. The US curve continues to rise.

Agreed. Your leadership handled it especially well. I guess you can do that when you have stable leadership actually interested in their commitment to the public good.

18 minutes ago, weedrvbi said:

Nobody but nobody has suggested we "stay in lock down forever". Ironically it is precisely because your president, and adulators created a politically opportunistic toxic culture war over something as common sense and minimally inconvenient in the form of public mask protection and social distancing, that the pandemic got out of control rather than being contained and/or snuffed out altogether as it was in every other developed nation.

I daresay you'll get your collapsed economy now . I'm sure you'll accept the fate maturely and cheerfully too. As always.

Agreed. Your leadership handled it especially well. I guess you can do that when you have stable leadership actually interested in their commitment to the public good.

And did all those "developing countries" have massive riots and protests. Did they have a bunch of morons that went to the beach and Disneyland? Do their populations compare to the United States?

So how well was it contained in Brazil, Russia, or India?

Just now, juniper222 said:

And did all those "developing countries" have massive riots and protests. Did they have a bunch of morons that went to the beach and Disneyland? Do their populations compare to the United States?

So how well was it contained in Brazil, Russia, or India?

Not one of these countries would fit the description of a developed nation which is what I referenced. Your response seems more about you rushing forth to defend your president's incompetent pandemic management and deliberate invoking of culture wars.

8 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

And did all those "developing countries" have massive riots and protests. Did they have a bunch of morons that went to the beach and Disneyland? Do their populations compare to the United States?

So how well was it contained in Brazil, Russia, or India?

The rad right's latest attempt to blame the ever rising infection rates on protestors (just the BLM of course, not the white nationalists and initial protestors unmasked outside of city halls for a month) might have a point if infection hot spots were in Minneapolis, Chicago and NY rather than the states like Arizona , Georgia, Texas and florida - the states that opened prematurely, with Governors trying to impress your president or at least keep him from calling them a name on Twitter.

11 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

And did all those "developing countries" have massive riots and protests. Did they have a bunch of morons that went to the beach and Disneyland? Do their populations compare to the United States?

So how well was it contained in Brazil, Russia, or India?

Considering they had it under control (New Zealand, Germany, Canada, Iceland, South Korea, etc etc) and effectively snuffed out long before the right wing sent protestors to harass governors and force them to open prematurely let alone BLM, once again your point is irrelevant grasping.

4 hours ago, juniper222 said:

And did all those "developing countries" have massive riots and protests. Did they have a bunch of morons that went to the beach and Disneyland? Do their populations compare to the United States?

So how well was it contained in Brazil, Russia, or India?

We had more than a few dumb smucks who broke the rules. Fortunately most of them were super low risk for catching covid 19

Brazil, India and Russia come in at 2. 3, 4 behind the US. Even so Brazil at #2 has half the deaths that the US has had

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Not to mention the US has a president who has said on more than one occasion they need to slow down the amount of testing. And information re covid 19 is now bypassing the CDC and being sent directly to the Trump administration which is a great way to under report the impact of covid 19 because your president has a long documented history of being one of the most dishonest leaders in the world

1 hour ago, Tenebrae said:

Brazil, India and Russia come in at 2. 3, 4 behind the US. Even so Brazil at #2 has half the deaths that the US has had

Wouldn't the key metric be several columns over: deaths per million? The US is at 429, while Brazil is at 367, as of now. Not that far off from each other.

21 hours ago, MeganMN said:

With a little bit of research, Fauci states that he recommended against mask wearing in March because of the very real risk of taking masks away from health care providers. Whether correct or not, he was concerned about that and was humble enough to come back and say that we should, in fact, be wearing them.

I think the only reason he really changed his mind was because we were doing so bad with the recommendation of not throwing house parties and avoiding large crowds. If people could have just binged some shows in Netflix for 2 weeks this virus would have been gone long ago and we would have never got to the point that the public was wearing masks everywhere they go.

But because Fauci is in a political position, we have a very stupid group of people who had to rebel just because of his position. They grew up with star wars, learning about how noble our revolution was. And they still love the rebel flag, which is a big symbol of the southern states seceding. Any chance to be a rebel is almost heroic to them.

Probably the best thing Fauci could do right now is tell us not to wear masks and let's crowd up and build immunities. Then they'll wear masks and stay home, finally, beacuse it goes against what the liberal doctor working with the white house said.

1 hour ago, TheDudeWithTheBigDog said:

I think the only reason he really changed his mind was because we were doing so bad with the recommendation of not throwing house parties and avoiding large crowds. If people could have just binged some shows in Netflix for 2 weeks this virus would have been gone long ago and we would have never got to the point that the public was wearing masks everywhere they go.

But because Fauci is in a political position, we have a very stupid group of people who had to rebel just because of his position. They grew up with star wars, learning about how noble our revolution was. And they still love the rebel flag, which is a big symbol of the southern states seceding. Any chance to be a rebel is almost heroic to them.

Probably the best thing Fauci could do right now is tell us not to wear masks and let's crowd up and build immunities. Then they'll wear masks and stay home, finally, beacuse it goes against what the liberal doctor working with the white house said.

I think that the scientists and medical experts were not prepared for or expecting the level of incompetent corruption which would doom Trump's federal response. They've had to adjust their public approach as they confront the realities of that historic mismanagement and dishonesty of this administration, during a pandemic.

16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I think that the scientists and medical experts were not prepared for or expecting the level of incompetent corruption which would doom Trump's federal response. They've had to adjust their public approach as they confront the realities of that historic mismanagement and dishonesty of this administration, during a pandemic.

I don't know how anybody is surprised. We know Trump doesn't exist in the same universe as the rest of us when it comes to medicine. He believes that exercise uses up your heartbeats and kills you young.

My disappointment is that our doctors weren't reaching out to the public in January and drilling it in that if this virus comes to our country, this is the stuff we have to do to beat it.

We've known for 4 years that Trump is incompetent. We've also known that some of his followers are the stupidest, most easily manipulated people alive. We knew that as soon as there was any political involvement that it was going to instantly turn into a left vs right, doctors are being paid by big pharma conspiracy.

This needs to be a major lesson for us. We got lucky that as bad as this virus is, the serious complications and death are at a low enough rate that most of us and most people we know will get sick and then be back to normal. Imagine if this virus was killing 25-50% of the people it infected. Next time, as soon as an outbreak starts, our country needs to get on top of educating. This is also our sign that we need SERIOUS changes in education. People need to learn how to research. Basic viral infection control and transmission needs to be a part of health classes in high school. Painting a face on an egg and carrying it around isn't stopping teen pregnancy, so lets go with some knowledge that our country is seriously lacking. And our sites like facebook and Twitter really need to crack down on this. We've taken freedom of speech to the extreme that we believe that there shouldn't be consequences for what we do. To the point that when facebook blocks a post that's a blatant dangerous lie, the pretend freedom fighters come out to accuse them of fascism. facebook needs to commit, they start it, but then always cave when the same group of people start complaining. Social media needs to be forced to take responsibility for what knowingly allow to stay on their sites. All the anti-mask posts are literally killing people

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