The Cat needs help

As a manager the majority of my staff are full time but I do have a few part time staff. Many are on the nurse bank anyway and they will pencil themselves down on the off duty to do the bank reserve shifts. I have recently aquired 10 new staff - at long last - and most of these are 30 hours per week. They all want to do full time hours so for them when needs allow they do 37.5 hours and I put the extra 7.5 hours down on my SVL at the end of the month as added plain time so it is paid in with their other extra duty. The staff that are full time work extra as part of the bank (this includes myself as I do extra also)

I do think it is only fair to pay you at your usual rate up to full time hours - that's my personal opinion.

If thje job you are doing is your own, then you should be paid at that rate... as Sharrie says, ring your unions asap...

Once you have worked your 37.5 hours in a week, then you should be paid as overtime, not bank - it's another cost saving measure by management - please don't work it as bank - you are entitled to overtime rates....

The only problem with insisting on getting paid overtime and not bank rate is that you may find that you'll not get any extra at all - which may suit some but I know I need to do a bit extra now and then so volunteer to do so via the nurse bank.

My Trust has a situation where a lot of the recently qualified student nurses have not got a job so have been taken on as bank. When we need a shift covering we have to put it out to bank - we cannot authorise overtime. There are enough trained staff on the nurse bank to cover outstanding shifts without needing to consider overtime. We are also in an agreement with other Trusts locally and the staff have the option of working in several hospitals.

I am not asking for overtime. I am only asking to be paid the same rate I normally am paid for doing the same job in the same place of work I usually work in.

We have a meeting on Thursday, so I hope I will be given time to go to it and express my concerns.

That was the point I was trying to make in my first response - that if you are part time your manager should be able to pay you at the same rate up until 37.5 hours (added plain time)- that's what I do for my staff instead of them doing bank.

After that i have to put everything out to the bank as they have nurses on contracted hours, they get paid whether they work or not so the Trust wouldn't authorise OT when they have nurses being paid for sitting at home.

If they couldn't cover shifts with bank then they may consider OT but the ways things are in my Trust that is looking unlikely.

I am not asking for overtime. I am only asking to be paid the same rate I normally am paid for doing the same job in the same place of work I usually work in.

We have a meeting on Thursday, so I hope I will be given time to go to it and express my concerns.

According to the proposal they have put out, no one will be allowed to work extra hours. All extra shifts will have to go through the bank. Will let everyone know what happens after Thursday.

Did not go to the meeting as I was too busy in clinics, but spoke to the assistant director of nursing. Basically they will have to do this as otherwise the trust will go bankrupt!!!

Have phoned the RCN and am trying to get hold of one of the stewards. So basiclly no further forward.

Am thinking about going to my MP and seeing is she can make any headway.

generally trusts are happy for part time employees to work up to full time hours over the pay period as they won't have to pay the NHSPcommmission what they don'yt want to do is allow people to work overtime because it is more expensive than anything organisaed through NHSP ...

the simple answer is for substantive staff not t o work bank and see how long it lasts ... however many trusts 'won't be held to ransom' and instead will just use NHSP and close beds if they have to

Can you join an agency & get paid decent rates for any extra shifts you might want instead?? We're using agencies pretty much everyday right now at my private hospital as we're so busy doing NHS work!! we could do with some good nurses!!

If all the nurses did that instead the Trust will be in real trouble. It's a nonsense for them to say that if nurses don't take what amounts to a pay cut they'll go bankrupt!! They should cut down on their management expenses instead & stop wasting money in other areas too!