Questions about the MSN

You will benefit from this thread: Glossary of Nursing/Medical Degrees-Certifications & Allied Heath Certifications to help you understand many of these

acronyms/credentials.

So, would someone kindly use the words of MSN so we in the rest of the world can understand what u mean.

Many thanks , sorry I have'nt been able to find a book yet that descibes it.

Many thanks for your response,may I enquire at what stage does the MSN need to be completed, during the nclex testing or can this be done after the nclex licenseur or does it form an intergral part of it.

Regards:bowingpur

None of the above.

You take the NCLEX after completing your associates or bachelors degree in nursing. You are already licensed when you start the master's degree in nursing. It's an advanced degree.

Perhaps you should check out this site to learn what nursing is:

http://www.discovernursing.com/

Then check out some of our prenursing resources on this site.

https://allnurses.com/forums/f198/

https://allnurses.com/forums/f87/

Many thanks for your response,may I enquire at what stage does the MSN need to be completed, during the nclex testing or can this be done after the nclex licenseur or does it form an intergral part of it.

Regards:bowingpur

Seamusglas, this is the Nurse Practitioner forum. Nurse Practitioners are advanced practice nurses who received training and education beyond the basic requirements to practice as a Registered Nurse. Nurse Practitioners have an expanded role and scope of practice compared to a Registered Nurse. In general, Nurse Practitioners have an undergraduate degree (ADN, BS, BSN), passed the NCLEX-RN and holds a Registered Nurse license, earned a graduate degree as Nurse Practitioners (MSN, MS, or DNP), and are certified or licensed as Nurse Practitioners by the State Board of Nursing where they practice.

I looked at your previous posts. I think you may be a foreign RN interested in practicing in the US? Depending on your country of origin, there are certain requirements for licensure and legal emplyment as a Registered Nurse in the US. The NCLEX-RN is a start but not the only requirement in all cases. The NCLEX-RN is the national licensure exam to become a Registered Nurse. You have to apply to take the NCLEX-RN from the Board of Nursing in the state of jurisdiction you plan to practice in. Each state have specific requirements in order for a foreign nurse to be allowed to take the NCLEX.

Legal employment is the other piece of requirement you will need as there are specific immigration documents that enable foreign RN's to work in the US. Again, depending on your country of origin, you may or may not have provisions to work at all in the US given the current rules on immigration for RN's. Please check the International Nursing Forum for additional information.

Thread moved to International forum from off-topic thread.

Many thanks for your response,may I enquire at what stage does the MSN need to be completed, during the nclex testing or can this be done after the nclex licenseur or does it form an intergral part of it.

Regards:bowingpur

If you would take the time to do some reading on this site as we have offered to you; you would easily see that the MSN is a Master's of Science in Nursing. And to get the jobs that require this as entry level to the US, most need to be actually completed in the US as well so that one is an advanced practice RN or a Clinical Nurse Specialist.

The MSN has nothing to do with anything with the NCLEX-RN exam which is for basic licensure in the US as an RN. Advanced Practice requires additional training and a Master's degree at the minimum.

If you are thinking of this route for the EB-2, it usually needs to be completed in the US to meet the requirements of it. Again, much has already been written on this topic. If you would only take the time to do some reading on this site, you will find that each and every question that you have asked has been answered over and over again.

You also asked yesterday what the MSN was and you received several responses to it on a thread that you started on the International Forum.

When one wishes to work in a foreign country, they usually take the time to do as much reading as possible first. We are happy to answer questions, but we do ask that as a courtesy you take the time to actually read the responses instead of just reposting the same thing.

And everyone here knows what the MSN stands for, even those that post on the UK site all of the time, it is not something that is only found in the US; many other countries also use this training or designation. Most university instructors require usually at least the MSN.

I would also focus first on getting your documentation submitted in the first place to see if you qualify to sit for the NCLEX-RN exam as a start. No sense in worrying about anything else if you are not permitted to write this exam.

And do be aware that the foreign trained nurse has a 45% chance of passing it the first time, so that should be your first concentration. Not one other thing, since if the exam is not written and passed, then nothing else matters.

The US has different entry levels for RNs: the ADN (associate degree in nursing), the BSN (bachelors degree in nursing), nursing school diploma (beccoming more rare these days) and a direct-entry MSN (masters degree in nursing). For those nurses educated in the US, the ADN is NOT thought (at least by most people) to be somehow inferior. The age-old argument is that all entry level nurses take the NCLEX (which is a national nursing exam, the same in every state) so there is no difference in entry-level knowledge.

Let me understand this Suzanne, so if one is has already attained their degree, and like many post graduates who may wish to capitalize on their good fortune by obtaining their masters, then NCLEX in this example would be like the same.

The nclex would be the masters ,is that correct!

Now, is not the case that[according to my american friend ]the associates degree is some second rate[according to her] which is generally not the same as a bonefide B'A degree.

A degree here in the UK is a proper Bonefide degree that usally meets most acedemic criteria around the world.

Somehow I feel the standard now in the states might be found somewhat different,if it is now on the same level as an associates whatever u call it,if according to my american friend is correct in what she is saying.

So then, one could deduce that a UK degreed nurse might place a uk nurse in a bett:uhoh3:er footing to passing the Nclex

Would I be correct,Suzanne,are both the associates and a B'A both acceptable as precursor to sit the NCLEX.

Would you clear this ambiguity up for me please, and once again, a million thanks :bowingpur

The NLEX is only a licensing exam, it is not a degree. And all that wish to work as a nurse in the US must pass this exam including those that train in the US. In most cases to even be accepted to a Master's program requires that one is already a licensed RN here in the US.

The three year degree is not the same as the four year BSN in the US for a start.

Again, it will depend on the courses that you took when you were in school and what is actually on your transcripts. That is all that counts and if you do not have all of the required hours, then you will be required to make them up. I would not put down the ADN, nor the diploma programs that we have here for a start. That is not the way to get help if you need it. And none of this has anything to do with the Master's degree that actually requires the four year BSN to get accepted to it as well. Again, please take the time to do some reading, all of this has been discussed many times over on this site. No reason to ask it when you can take the time to do a search, we actually have a wonderful search engine here.