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I disagree. I have a scope of practice that allows me to manage ICU patients as well as perform numerous procedures, but that doesn't put me on the same level as a physician

Yet another waste of union member's dues....:D:D That idiot Boss Rose is just trying to move up in the world.I guess that all of the money she pockets from her vast union membership, 165,000 out of how many million nurses?, just isn't enough anymore:yeah:Keep trying on the union movement. As we can see, union membership is falling rapidly with great leaders like Gov Walker and Gov Christie. We can only hope that the movement towards total eradication of unions keeps up its momentum:clpty::clpty: Have a great day!!!!!

More fabulous reasons for doing in patient peds! No drug seekers!! There is no way I could bring myself to do some of what you are talking about...

Where are you located?

DNP is NOT required. It is only a suggestion. Unless you just want to get a doctorate, the MSN will serve fine for a NP. The DNP adds ZERO to your competence as a provider but does add to those who are in administration or teaching positions. Any current practicing providers who are MSN prepared will be grandfathered in.

We had an intensivist quit when the new medical director demanded that everyone in the PICU address each other by first name! Cya!

We are designated mid level providers. I have no issue with the term. We also have NPs and PAs in our facility. Also, I refer to myself by first name when addressing the patients and families. Its a childrens hospital and hierachy amongst providers is almost non existent.

How's the cost of living out there compared to what you make an hour??

How's the cost of living out there compared to what you make an hour??

Great! So now nurses are walking out of a children's hospital over insurance contributions? I thought unions didn't like to strike? You seem very happy about your fellow nurses striking, why is that?? This is what makes unions look bad. Would you feel ok going room to room telling the parents of teh patients that since they're asking us to contribute a little more towards our insurance we aren't going to be taking care of your child today?? How greedy can unions be in this day and age. This is about MONEY not patient safety.

That's another huge debate in itself. I am a NP and can tell you that my nursing experience has little to do with my day-to-day job function. I examine, diagnose, and treat patients and none of my nursing experience has helped with the exception of how to talk to patients. I believe that NP education should be as standardized as PA education is and include many more clinical hours and science courses.....but that is for another thread....:)

Np's fall under the board of nursing. PA's under the board of Medicine. PA's , in most cases, have significant healthcare experience prior to entering school. Their education is patterned after med school with didactic up front then rotations through mulitple areas. PA's and NP's can basically do each other's jobs with the exception that PA's can move into different specialties without going back to school and also can function in the surgical arena. NP's can practice independently but do not function in surgery without being and RNFA. PA's have much more clinical time and better hard science education than Np's. Both specialties work under the guidance of a physician but there is a small percentage of NP's who practice completely independent of a physician, but that's for another thread......

Would you like to see my pay stub?? Additionally, you should stick to what you know....there are very few, less than 10 hospitals that are unionized. You have such great information. Where did I say anything about unemployment? After many years in this business, I know of no one who works strike hospitals. So in conclusion, YOU should think before posting your poor information. Care to pm me, I'll show you how much a PNP makes here:yeah:

originally posted by llg i'm old enough to remember when it became a requirement for np's to have master's degrees. at first people disagreed, saying that the msn inclusion of research, theory, leadership, etc. was not necessary for an np. those voices died out as the np's without msn's retired and a new generation of np's who all had msn's took over. my point is that there is a good chance that the same thing will happen with the dnp issue.. no particular comment. just thought it should be posted again. this could also go the way of the adn vs bsn debate. without a mandate to change to the dnp, we could end up with another dual entry method to become an np. if that were to happen, we could end up having yet another entry level to practice conundrum. where would that put the dnp's? head of the pack or just another np...the only difference will be the letters at the end of their name

Do you work in the "South"? If you don't, then please save me the union rhetoric and dispariging comments about nurses from the "South"! Few unions, yes. Low wages, NOT! We, southern nurses, are just smart enough to live in an area that has a decent cost of living and decent employment. As a NP, I make more than most entry level pediatricians. YOu need to stick to what you know, not what you think you know....

Healthcare is a business and the patients are consumers of the product offered. Mr Krugman wants to take us back to days of old where nurses gave the doctor their chair or brought them a cup of coffee. There is nothing wrong with calling patients consumers of healthcare. Its not what we call them but instead how we as a medical community treat them. I am definitely a Consumer of Healthcare.

I,too, would suggest whatever is closer but please don't rule out private schools. I practice in Ft Worth and went to a distance program through University of Pennsylvania. It was worth every penny! They cut out the theory, and all of the other fluff classes that NP schools like to pad their curriculum with these days. No capstone or professional paper! Just advanced patient care management. Good Luck in your studies!!

Being a current MSN-NP, I can't imagine that dnp's will be choosen over msn's. There is nothing in their educational framework that lends to them being able to do any more than current NP's can. From what I can see, it appears to be more of a degree designed to promote leadership and research instead of furthering patient care.

I might get a scab if I trip, owwwchee!!!!

In fairness to the unions, nurses in RTW states who opt to not pay dues should not be afforded union respresentation, period. Dues and union participation should not be mandatory, but those who don't pay should not receive the bennies either....

I sincerely respect my fellow nurses, but I could never respect a nursing strike. You may think you have the best pay and benefits in the world but I also feel the same way, and there's not a unionized hospital within 5hrs of where I practice. I've been in the job force for over 30 years and have been in a union and for the life of can't see the need. My stepfather was union and i can remember times when we, as a family, suffered financially due to a strike....ridiculous. I currently live in a RTW state and the unions here are minimal and have almost zero bargaining power. I just can't see the benefit of a union here when they are all but powerless to effect change. I personally have no problem with those who cross the picket line. Someone has to care for the patients and they should be paid to do so! For the OP, it's a financially viable option whether or the pro union camp agrees or not. In this day and age with our economy, nothing is off limits except that as deemed illegal. Moral obligation to my profession vs providing for my wife and children = crossing the picket line EVERY TIME. Just my 2 cents......

THere are several agencies that hire nurses to work strikes. US Nursing is one of them. Just google it! I have a friend who does this and makes incredible money. Unions lost their effectiveness years ago. Someone has to care for the patients after they've been abandoned by their overly compassionate nurses who are only striking in their own best interests.

RTW states are diff to organize due to no closed shop. Its hard to stay in business when there isn't a captive audience to pay dues.

I have always gone by my first name and always will. I intro my self as first name and i am the NP today. The hospital where i work is very anti-hierarchy and we are on first name basis with physcians. NP's in general are too caught up in "what should the patient's call me?" We need to be spending more time worrying about bigger issues than our titles. People don't care about titles as long as they are receiving quality healthcare. IMO...