CloudySky

I've just spent several hours reading all of these informative posts about OU and other BSN completion programs. I still haven't decided on a RN - BSN program but I wanted to thank all the AN members who contributed to this thread. I'm rooting for you all!

Good price. I was sold on Thomas Edison at $442. per credit hour (for RN - BSN). With 28 hrs to do their BSN completion that would cost me about $12,3376 tuition. Thanks for the tip on fort hayes winny. Good thread everyone.

Sad. OP, it's supposed to be your own work and your own thoughts.

If you're not a troll then like someone said you seem immature for your age. In one previous post you hate nursing, you hate the medical field and are only in NS because your Mother said you can make a lot of money. Now you say you dislike doctors and want to give up nursing school because of two bad experiences? If you are for real than your posts don't sound like you are on the right career path for you. Why do what you hate?

That's true. He says he was the only male to get an A in his A&P I class. But from his posting hx sounds like he is a student or new RN who wants to be a CRNA. .....just say no to drugs.

OP, If Les and others are honest enough to say they are skeptical it does not mean they aren't good folk. Nurses are trained to be critical thinkers. To be totally honest with you the first thing that came to mind when I read your header and post was that you could possibly be gathering "snippets" and ideas for a nursing school application essay. The only reason that popped into my head was because I had to write an essay on this topic when I applied to NS. As a nurse it's important to have an open mind and skin thick enough to hear opposing/ dissenting viewpoints. Best, CS

Good point. Why did they wait then accuse OP? If I understand it this hasn't gone to the bon yet.... Probably because they can't prove OP took the meds. Because OP didn't take them!

You did the right thing OP.

Quote CloudySky- Most times my close friends and I would hear of the questions that the students knew about AFTER the test. I was not the only one who felt it was unfair to the students who who were in danger of flunking out. Quote amarilla, "This wasn't what you originally wrote nor what I responded to. Rather, this is what you wrote:" Um I fully explained that in my last post. I said I didn't realize I'd have to go into so much detail about a specific incident. You are the only one calling me to task. I don't post much due to time constraints so I didn't know I'd have to explain to you all details and that I did have an ethical leg to stand on. I also gave more details to another poster with an opposite view of my quickly posted story. - She said I might have 'sour grapes' due to not having 'connections' and many friends who could have fed me the questions. That's why I posted again giving her more details and explaining that I indeed could have gotten the questions in advance but was uncomfortable with what was going on. Also I honestly didn't need 'extra help' to make great grades. I know I did the right thing because I didn't need help on tests. For the sake of the classmates with borderline grades, I wanted the instructor to put in the energy and writing new questions or best yet...I really wanted the senior student (wife of the classmate who was giving out verbatim questions to the class below her to stop. In my opinion the wife of my classmate who was a year ahead was the one who was unethical. I aslo think it was wrong for the student/class validictorian to make an announcement to the whole class in front of the instructor saying that I had accused her of cheating. I made the instructor aware of something that was bothering several people but I never accused her or anyomne of cheating. I'm sure when knew that she was lying about me to make me look like some kind of creep. She should have just taken her lumps as nobody was punished and nothing changed. I agree OP might have more to her story that he/she doesn't care to post publicly. I don't blame her for keeping the details private. In any event, imo med surg instructor 'jmqphd' came up with the best response.

I'm not upset. And many use bold on forums to make a quick point of what they are stressing. I guess I didn't give enough detail b/c I don't have much time to post on forums. I'll take time out here to give more detail this one time b/c you seem interested. Most times my close friends and I would hear of the questions that the students knew about AFTER the test. I was not the only one who felt it was unfair to the students who who were in danger of flunking out. (Someone I felt empathy for was in danger of flunking out for a second semester...I'm sure advanced knowledge of verbatim difficult questions would have helped her pass.) I never felt nor said that the students cheated. It was very tacky for the valedictorian to stand in front of the class and state that I had accused her of cheating as that never happened. As soon as I saw the pattern and realized I wasn't the only one who felt it wasn't fair I confronted my fellow student with my opinion directly .twice...(As I stated often I'd heard about it after the test.) The instructor didn't write new questions for the rest of the year but I was impressed that she cared enough to bring my concerns up to the student who was feeding test questions to his study group. Again I was never in need of any extra help as my grades were high. I graduated third in the class. Proof of the fact I needed no extra help is in the fact that I confronted the students and told them I felt it was unfair to some borderline students in the class. I could have stayed silent and used the insider info to boost my scores. I still don't think these students were cheating.

Read again and don't try to twist my words this time. I did NOT take questions and use them "throughout" school. I was upset as I knew it was hurting some students who were not passing. As soon as I saw the pattern I confront the study group on two separate occasions. Again if you would read I NEVER used the word cheating nor did I call anyone a cheater.

I never had sour grapes due to lack of connections. Nor was I ever in any danger of failing ANY test throughout nursing school. The reason I knew this study group had an unfair advantage over some of the poor students who actually WERE in danger of flunking out was BECAUSE of my connections. Anytime I asked insider friends for some of the questions that would be on the exam my connection was able to give me several questions that would be on the upcoming test verbatim. The questions were ALWAYS the type that many would miss without the insider tip off because two of the possible answers would be VERY close. I knew that some in my graduating class were very close to failing out of school and that inside info on the exact test questions would be of great help to them. I never called anyone "a cheater." But I did DIRECTLY confront the valedictorian and students in that study group twice to voice my personal opinion.--(That I felt it wasn't fair that a select group had an advantage of knowing several of the harder questions in advance while others in our class without inside info were in danger of failing.) When I left the note to inform the instructor I knew it would be obvious that I was the one who had brought the situation to her attention. My hope was that the instructor would use other exam questions to sort of even the field for the people who were in danger of failing and had no connections. The instructor must as felt as I did because she mentioned it to the student in question. No one was called a cheater and no one was punished in any way. In fact the instructors still used the same recycled batch of questions and I'm sure this one study group continued to pass on these questions to their friends. The worst part that I didn't mention is that the valedictorian made an impromptu announcement in front of the class saying that I had accused her and her friends of cheating. That was uncalled for because she knew I never accused ANYONE of cheating. I only made the instructor aware of the situation so that the borderline students wouldn't be disadvantaged by not knowing the specific harder questions on each exam. (Our grading was done on a curve.) Long story short is it's not all about grades as long as you are passing by a healthy margin you'll be fine in practice. I'll never forget the first day of clinical when the class valedictorian gave her first SQ. She injected then blew air on the lady's arm to dry the alcohol just prior to injecting! Sheesh. Just shows you...She knew how to make great grades and graduated with a perfect 4.0 but she was lacking in her actual practice skills.

Agree with the others. I absolutely would turn the test into an instructor. I received my degree from a small private Catholic nursing college that stressed ethics. There was one guy who started the program with his wife the semester before me. He failed a semester and entered my graduating class while his wife continued to graduate the before him. This guy with the upperclassmen wife was in a study group with our class valedictorian and most of the top students in my class. This one study group was fed a substantial number of test questions before every single test we took - courtesy of the flunky guy's upperclassman wife. It was VERY obvious to the rest of the class that this study group had an unfair advantage due to their advanced knowledge of many test questions throughout all our years of nursing school. Without naming names I left an anon note in front of the office of one of our instructors stating the unfair advantage one study group had. The instructor took it seriously. She knew who to call into her office without my mentioning it. Of course our the "highly ethical" class valedictorian and her boyfriend from said study group were absolutely incensed. Poor baby after couldn't handle an even ethical playing field. The people in said study group figured out it was me who told because I had complained to them on a few occasions over a year's time that I felt it was wrong. They didn't talk to me for the rest of school but I still did not regret doing the right thing.

You are usually mandated to work if there is severe bad weather. Many times I've been mandated to report to work during a storm and told that we will bee on lock down. I work nights and usually they say report to work the day before the storm. So I get to work and am not paid until the night shift. Trying to sleep during the day in a hospital room during a storm is near impossible. I've had to stay in the hospital for as long as 3 days. Yet they only pay you for the time of your shift. Not for all the hours they are forcing you to say on lockdown.

yeah most facilities now subscribe to the national data banks so they get updated disciplinary info on all their nurses. but i agree that it's wrong that someone who makes a mistake who isn't stealing drugs or drinking gets a permanent public record in national data banks while nurses who steal drugs get a clean slate after a few years of monitoring. ncsbn needs to make that more fair. because addiction is a lifelong disease the nurse who steals drugs (and makes plenty of errors while impaired) should have a permanent record too.