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ArkFan: I wont give you a rash of crap, but I do disagree with some of your thoughts. I hear a lot of anti DNP stuff all the time, and I just don't understand where it is all coming from. I do think some of the curricula leave a bit to be desired. The standards should be uniform at the very least, once TPTB decide what specifically they want to set the DNP apart. No, it isn't medical school. I don't know where that came from. I think the DNP is an unnecessary step for individuals and the profession in general, but I do think the DNP is going to be the norm in the future, just as the Masters is now. I chose to pursue a DNP b/c I'll be circling 50 when I finish. Due to my husbands work, we move frequently and usually across state lines. My concern is that licensing in a new state (where a grandfather clause may not apply) will require a DNP at some point and I don't want to be going back to school at 60, lol. I just don't. It seems prudent to hedge my bet and do it now. I don't for an instant think it will make me a better NP than the next person. It expect it will offer interesting experiences I may not otherwise have had (I love school and classroo discussion, the more the better) but a novice is a novice IMO. A novice with a doctorate could call him/herself "Doctor" but it isn't going to make them an expert. Personally, I expect to have quite a learning curve and know Ill earn the respect of patients and peers based on performance, not a diploma. And no, I don't anticipate calling myself Dr Logan. I will be Mary, the nurse practitioner. A NP that happens to have a DNP, though I suspect it will be much like the BSN prepared staff nurse in an acute care setting in that no one ever asks and it is rarely a factor. I suspect the patients won't know or care what the degree in a dusty box in my attic actually says on it. I picked the best school that would have me (Duke) and will make the most of the opportunity. I don't understand calling the effort "laughable." To me, it seems meanspirited. There is a lot to debate about the DNP. It is new, still evolvng and I think the ANA needs good feedback on how best to proceeed. I hope they take concerns and suggestions into serious consideration, but I know that those suggestions would have to come from a place of respect for the goal, which I understand to be an expertly educated NP. Re the OP: I don't think you need to go after a DNP at this point if it isn't something you want. I am sure that you will be grandfathered in for at least some period of time. Unless, like me, you know you will be moving to multiple states, it seems unlikely to be a big issue in our practice lifetimes. FWIW, my own health care provider is an ADN prepared womens health NP (via certificate). She's been a NP for about 30 years and I trust her completely. DNP or no DNP, I don't know if I'll ever be as terrific a clinician and professional as she. I will work hard and strive to be; I'm hoping a good education will get me started.

Is there a study guide on CD that you recommend? I am going to a distance FNP program and thought I might get some audio digest sort of things for the long car trips! Also, has anyone used Kindle? I was thinking of getting one of those too. Not a lot of nursing titles are available for kindle yet though. Suggestions are appreciated!

I have had Moms on my parenting board chastize me for "letting strangers raise the kids" or neglecting them, but I've never had someone say it to my face. Honestly, that is SO unbelievably rude it makes clear the speaker has issues that have nothing to do with you. I have 4 kids, ages 6, 9, 12, 15. I will be going to an on-line FNP program FT in the fall. 4 classes/12 credit hours a semester. I work nights in a slow paced tele unit. I am confident I will be able to do 50% of my school work at work, and I'll have all day while the ankle biters are in school to do the rest. I have been missing school plays, awards ceremonies, athletic events, band performances, birthdays, holidays etc etc for 10 years. FNP school means not having to do that for the rest of their childhoods. My kids already have a lot more responsibilities than their friends, but I think it is a good thing. My husband already does most of the cooking and the kids do most of the cleaning. My main job is chauffer, and I'm passing as much of that on to willing friends and neighbors as possible, lol. It will be busy, but I don't think it is going to be overwhelming. Anything worth having is worth sacrafice and hard work to attain.

I think in depends entirely upon the student. My BFF went to an Ivy League school for ACNP, worked 36h a week, raised 3 kids as a single mom, was the brownie troop leader and had numerous other volunteer obligations. She had no trouble. Another friend worked FT, married with 4 kids, homeschooled all 4 of them and also had no trouble. a third acquaintence did not work, had no kids, and struggled until she eventually dropped out. My profs tell me if you have the apptitude and 20-30 hours a week to study, you be fine no matter what you are doing in those other hours.

"I have to disagree with the above post that everyone is accepted." I wasn't trying to give anyone misinformation. Merely relaying information given to me by whomever that ws that answered the phone in admissions. I just took her at her word. :shrug: She qualified it by saying that you may well be defered to a later group than you had in mind, but she clearly said "if an applicant meets the requirements, s/he will be admitted." FWIW. Good luck to everyone!

I was cautioned against using physicians for LOR at all for grad school apps, rationale being they want to hear what NURSES think of you. I was told that physician letters of rec to a nursing school is a common mistake that usually backfires.

Start with someone who actually knew you, of course. If they have moved on speak to the current Dean. Perhaps she can access your records and write something based on them.

tammy, are you moving? if so, i'd say duke b/c i have been to b-more and i wouldn't go back willingly! did you get tomeet any faculty or did you phone interview both places? try to speak to whomever your advisor would be at both schools and see whoyou bond with, and whos research interest you. if it is a distance program (i didn't know jh had a distance program, so maybe you are moving) i would go with whichever ws less expensive. i think the cache is about the same, both being "almost ivy" tier 1 research unis. duke took a beating in the public eye after the jessica santillian case and of course, the lacrosse team (who were innocent, but that didn't get covered with the same fervor), but that doesn't have anything to do with the son. i live in the south, so i hear more about duke, but i gather it's rep is equvilant to jh. i'd send in matriculation $$ to both and then go to whichever offers more fin aid! even if you lose $1,000 (that is duke's mat fee, i don't know jh) you might gain tens of thousands in fin aid over the course of the program. if you will email me i can tell you a little more about duson. and congratulations! great acheivements, whatever you decide. please do not post email addresses in public posts, as it is against our terms of service. others may email you privately through your profile. thanks, the mod team

I am teaching allied health to highschool students, so it is a bit different. I have an ESL student and no, I am not allowed to fail her. I have to remediate her over and over until she passes. I too found that sending her to student services to gt a read aloud for testing helped tremendously. She went from scoring in the 60s to in the 80s. She is bright, charming and highly motivated, so I am glad to help her along any way I can. She wants to go to med school some day and I think she's going to be fantastic!

Tht sounds about right. At the state uni where I interviewed for a clinical instructor position, it was very much the same as you describe. BSN with 30 continuing education units in nursing education was the minimum for clinical instructor, masters with same or MSN specifically in nursing ed for classroom instructor. Tenure went with associate professor status. I think things are different at research universities to some degree where publishing is more highly emphasized. I ended up turning the job down b/c I couldn't afford the pay cut. The only bonus was free tuition for my kids, none of whom want to go to that school so I needed more money to send them where thy do want to go, lol.

And here (Southern midatlantic region) FNPs are making 60k. I'm sure it is twice that in Atlanta.

I am not n NP, I am a NP wannabe. In my area the NPs have not posted signs, but the word has gotten around that they will not treat chronic pain. Get your collaborating doc on board and just refer refer refer.

Oops, sorry for serial posting. If you want to do obstetrics, you need CNM. There are many distance programs that will allow you to study and test in both WHNP and CNM. Frontier for starters.

Yes. If you are sure that womens heath with infertility issues in particular are what you want to do, WHNP is the course of study for you. You should read the practice act and talk to some WHNP though, I am not aware of NPs treating infertility to any great degree.

I have been teaching the same program for three years. The hardest part is dealing with some of the attitude problems one encounters with teens, and of course, parents. My program is coupled with the local communty college and my students get 5 credit hours for the class. This is helpful b/c I can always fall back on "this is a college course" when they start complaining about consequences. If there is a way for you to merge your program with the local CC, I encourage that. It is win win for everyone. The students get 5 ch free, a leg up on their allied health studies and you get a higher calibre of student. In my area the ratio is 1:10 for clinical, and I take them for 60 hours on site. I have usually had 18-20 students, which requires an assistant clinical instructor. Getting a great one went a long way toward making my life easier. Make sure you have the handbook from the NLN long before you start so you can be sure to have all the equipment you will need. School systems can take a loooooong time allocating funds for equipment. Make your syllabus crystal clear from the beginning. Make the student and a parent sign it. Make them have their immunizations, birth cert, ss#, DL# etc in weeks before clinical starts. Believe me, 2% will still not have them to you until 11pm the nigft before anyway. I guarantee it. Make the objectives measurable. That sounds obvious, but there cannot be much room for interpretation here. You need the leeway to bounce them out if you have to, and that is MUCH harder to do in a highschool enviornment. MUCH. I had one who refused to come near urine or stool, lol b/c "I'm going to be a radiologist and I don't have to know how to do that." The girl basically refused to do anything except vital signs and it still took half a semester to get rid of her and then I had her crazy parents calling me and threatening me. Her Dad ws my sons football coach in the middle school and he was very cruel to my son. He said "two can play at this game." I could tell you a lot of parent horror stories. However, it is really a great time. Most of the students are enthusiastic. Too young to be cynical or jaded! they work hard and have high standards. the patients LOVE LOVE LOVE them. It is a great chance to touch lives. and it is 8-4pm M-F and pays 55k a year, summers off. Can't beat it!