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Held Ransom

I was reading another thread and the thought occured to me that quite a few instructors bank of the idea that a student is afraid to say anything due to possible reprisal. So far, I have not had that experience but that may be because I am an older student.

In our program though, I have seen several younger students put up with verbal abuse and being unfairly judged/graded on their papers/assignments. I find this reprehensible that a "seasoned" professional would stoop this low just to "proove" that they have the power to pass or fail a student.

I would like some input/experiences that others have had in this area and the solutions that they used. Perhaps it would benefit others.

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There is quite a lot of sites about Malcolm Knowles but this one was a quick one page summary

http://tip.psychology.org/knowles.html

HIs book "The adult learner a neglected species" still remains one of the core texts of adult education. It is more about a philosophical approach to education. Instead of "I am here to teach you " it is "We are here to learn together".

It's a philosophy I have always enjoyed because it allows me to answer a question with "I don't know but I'll see if I can find out". an awful lot of "control freak" teachers are terrifed of that phrase because they have a belief that if they ever show ignorance to a class they will lose respect. The truth is 180 degrees opposite.

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There is quite a lot of sites about Malcolm Knowles but this one was a quick one page summary

http://tip.psychology.org/knowles.html

HIs book "The adult learner a neglected species" still remains one of the core texts of adult education. It is more about a philosophical approach to education. Instead of "I am here to teach you " it is "We are here to learn together".

It's a philosophy I have always enjoyed because it allows me to answer a question with "I don't know but I'll see if I can find out". an awful lot of "control freak" teachers are terrifed of that phrase because they have a belief that if they ever show ignorance to a class they will lose respect. The truth is 180 degrees opposite.

GOOD FOR YOU ESSARGE! I sure hope that you don't recieve any grief or are targeted for speaking up! I plan to print the Malcolm Knowles information and mail it to all of my hubby's instructors!!!

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GOOD FOR YOU ESSARGE! I sure hope that you don't recieve any grief or are targeted for speaking up! I plan to print the Malcolm Knowles information and mail it to all of my hubby's instructors!!!

:uhoh21:

As I said in a previous post, no one should ever call another person stupid-or any other name for that matter. It's a matter of perspective.A true teacher builds up, not tears down. Too bad there aren't more true teachers....

As I said in a previous post, no one should ever call another person stupid-or any other name for that matter. It's a matter of perspective.A true teacher builds up, not tears down. Too bad there aren't more true teachers....

I wish we could get the perspective of a nurse instructor here...

It would be good to hear from an instructor about just what they expect..... what sets them off....etc....

I'll begin clinicals in sept, after 2 long difficult years of pre-reqs and such hard work..... it's scary to me that someone can rip it all away because they feel like it....

I'm nervous about clinicals now!

I wish we could get the perspective of a nurse instructor here...

It would be good to hear from an instructor about just what they expect..... what sets them off....etc....

I'll begin clinicals in sept, after 2 long difficult years of pre-reqs and such hard work..... it's scary to me that someone can rip it all away because they feel like it....

I'm nervous about clinicals now!

I agree, we need an instructors perspective....Somehow I doubt there are many in this forum. Maybe we should seek one out!!!

I feel a new thread coming on!!!

I agree, we need an instructors perspective....Somehow I doubt there are many in this forum. Maybe we should seek one out!!!

I feel a new thread coming on!!!

I have a little advise Bevi :)

I teach part time at a small community college. The best advise I can give you is to be prepared . I expect students to be nervous, particularly in a clinical setting--that is normal. But to not have a clue (literally) about your patient, or the medications they are taking, that gets under my skin. I have never called a student stupid--I don't believe in intimidation tactics. I realize students are there to learn. But don't confuse "learn" with "mind-melt". Some students felt it wasn't their responsibility to read about procedures, etc. their patient was having done--they felt it was my job to teach them. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way.

After "always be prepared" {sounding a bit boy scout-ish}:D

The second thing is don't "argue" with an instructor, particularly in front of a patient. There is a time and a place if you disagree, and in front of a patient is never appropriate. If you don't understand an instructotr's reasoning, or just disagree with her point of view--discuss it in private. As much as a student wants to be treated with respect--so do teachers. Its a two way street.

Things I have read on this board, seen with my own eyes, and experienced in my own schooling make me sick. Unfortunately it is a fact of life--there will be those who treat you like "dirt" even after you graduate. Always try to take the high road; work hard, and you will earn respect and become a valuable addition to the profession.

I tell my students--its not up to me to make you a good nurse. I won't take the blame if you are a "bad" nurse, and I won't take the credit if you are a great one--that is entirely up to YOU

:)

Best of luck to all of you!

I have a little advise Bevi :)

I teach part time at a small community college. The best advise I can give you is to be prepared . I expect students to be nervous, particularly in a clinical setting--that is normal. But to not have a clue (literally) about your patient, or the medications they are taking, that gets under my skin. I have never called a student stupid--I don't believe in intimidation tactics. I realize students are there to learn. But don't confuse "learn" with "mind-melt". Some students felt it wasn't their responsibility to read about procedures, etc. their patient was having done--they felt it was my job to teach them. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way.

After "always be prepared" {sounding a bit boy scout-ish}:D

The second thing is don't "argue" with an instructor, particularly in front of a patient. There is a time and a place if you disagree, and in front of a patient is never appropriate. If you don't understand an instructotr's reasoning, or just disagree with her point of view--discuss it in private. As much as a student wants to be treated with respect--so do teachers. Its a two way street.

Things I have read on this board, seen with my own eyes, and experienced in my own schooling make me sick. Unfortunately it is a fact of life--there will be those who treat you like "dirt" even after you graduate. Always try to take the high road; work hard, and you will earn respect and become a valuable addition to the profession.

I tell my students--its not up to me to make you a good nurse. I won't take the blame if you are a "bad" nurse, and I won't take the credit if you are a great one--that is entirely up to YOU

:)

Best of luck to all of you!

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