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Mr. Murse · May 22, 2014

I'm having trouble following what happened. I'm guessing English is not your first language, either way, try to explain the situation a little better.

So let me try to clarify, first your instructor pulled the meds for you for two different patients. This is kind of weird to begin with, because many instructors will tell you never to pull meds for multiple patients at the same time. Anyway, so you take the meds and go to the patients, do your checks, and administer the meds. Then later on she fails you because SHE didn't check the MAR? Were the meds mixed up? Why does it matter that she didn't check the MAR? This doesn't make any sense, so I'm guessing either you personally are misunderstanding why she failed you, or you're not explaining the situation well and I'm not understanding. Try to clarify a little bit if you can.

danlee · May 22, 2014

No I was failed by instructor who said she didnt check meds before I gave em

But I had already got the nurse to pull em

So why am I failing when the policy says I can get teacher or nurse to check

Obviously I can't get the meds if they are locked up

CaliLVN26 · May 22, 2014

Ok who's policy says teacher or nurse may check? Is it the school's policy or the facilities' policy? If it is the school's policy she can not fail you for not having her personally check (if that is indeed why she is saying you failed) and you can take legal action if she try's to push it after you show her the policy that says either one is ok. Actually the step after that if she is still pushing for you to fail because she wasn't the one to check before you gave the meds, is to arrange a meeting between you, the instructor, and the program director. After THAT would be time to take legal action if they are blatantly disregarding their own policy. If there is no other way for you to get the meds than for the instructor or the nurse to get them for you then one of them has to have checked because they bloody well got them for you in the first place. Whatever happens, know that in the future, it is considered common curtesy to have the person who's license is at stake be the one to check until they tell you they feel you are competent enough to do it with just the nurse.

LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN · May 22, 2014

No I was failed by instructor who said she didnt check meds before I gave em
But I had already got the nurse to pull em
So why am I failing when the policy says I can get teacher or nurse to check
Obviously I can't get the meds if they are locked up

Ok...

First, let's get this straight; based on your first post:

Hi guys
OK so why did she fail me?
We have those locked med cabinets so I asked my nurse to get me the med I needed on mar. I gave her mar and she pulled the two meds one for each pt
After I did all my checks and gave to pts
Teacher said I failed cause she didn't check mar
Policy book says get teacher or nurse to check mar
I am no expert but not quite sure why I fail

Your syntax made it hard to follow; first indication from Mr. nurse was to ask if English was your second language; it was a question, not an insult.

Next, to answer you question, is this policy written down?

When I was a student, If we didn't have access and the nurse had to pull meds, I STILL let the nurse check, especially if it was the first time giving the meds with the instructor.

You may not have any leg to stand on if you were not checked off by the instructor if it was your first time pulling meds with the instructor; but then again, personally, no one is going to be able to know this because we don't know your schools' policy.

Go up the chain of command, but FIRST find out the policy.

Best wishes.

JustBeachyNurse, LPN · May 22, 2014

You have started multiple threads regarding your failure. One you stated that you were dismissed because you were too headstrong with your instructors, another you were bullied by your classmates, and so on.

If your instructor specifically told you that he/she must review the meds & MAR before you administer the drug and you did not follow the instruction that would be the issue. Instructors can be more strict than school policy for patient safety. They cannot be more lax. I'm sure this is the same in the US and Canada.

However based on your multiple other threads it would seem that this was not an isolated issue that resulted in your failure. If, as you posted previously, were also argumentative with staff, instructors and other students plus you posted that the school mandated you seek professional assistance this issue may just have been the final straw.

NurseGirl525, ASN, RN · May 22, 2014

Yes, I remember now. This is not your first incident. There have been many issues between you and this school. Not everybody in the world is out to get you.

LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN · May 22, 2014

You have started multiple threads regarding your failure. One you stated that you were dismissed because you were too headstrong with your instructors, another you were bullied by your classmates, and so on.
If your instructor specifically told you rage he/she must review the meds & MAR before you administer the drug and you did not follow the instruction that would be the issue. Instructors can be more strict than school policy for patient safety. They cannot be more lax. I'm sure this is the same in the US and Canada.
However based on your multiple other threads it would seem that this was not an isolated issue that resulted in your failure. If, as you posted previously, were also argumentative with staff, instructors and other students plus you posted that the school mandated you seek professional assistance this issue may just have been the final straw.

Say what!?!

Off to investigate... :no:

LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN · May 22, 2014

Based on previous posts:

i got in trouble for giving meds loxapine, serequel without my teacher checking em off.
difficult nursing instructors really got me unhinged. everything I did was a mistake. i exasperated it by arguing and defending myself.
not following my teachers stuff. i do a lot of extra stuff on my own that i have practiced in labs before.
what i think i need
being able to control my emotions even better.

This concerns me along with your post directed at Mr. Murse....

iam still wondering how much valproic acid is needed to harm a patient cause the stuff I had was well within safe dosage and the pt condition didn't suggest toxic reaction or overdose.

^This post concerns me....

I got kicked out 2x.my doctor said I was unsuitable.

^THIS also concerns me...

thx did most of the that the first time
***my major problem I need to work on is being more professional with my instructor. I have argue and defended myself that doesn't work. I think I need to own up , apologize and get it done. but ***any help with professional communication will help

And this one to me seems to indicate you have some other underlying issues to address before you step into another nursing program or nursing at all:

Mine is sad but typical
I did ba psych ..no job
I couldn't even support myself sometimes I made 5k a year but I got my students knocked off due to debt reduction
I decided to go for nursing to get a good career in psych nursing.I first read books on science and math for a year.then did his science and math.
Then I got accepted and my life has been shattered over and over. In the program for 3 years I got all A marks. But my mom died i n term 3. I got bullied / hostile environment till I left clinical to ask for a new class.then I got bullied by the school for making a claim against students and teacher.my uncle also died during this term.then I got a new great supportive clssd and did exceptionally well.
But still I was so angry at the school..I had many arguments.25 meetings with head.got yelled at by many teacher.had to appeal.grads and rewrite quizzes...it was total.hell till my last teacher faled me in clinics.I gave meds without her checking.
*****I was put on a learning contract..I breached the contract when I was asked by my nurse to discipline pt ..the patient complained and since I was on contract I got kicked
I got acceptance into a LPN program but wonder if I'll experience the same or will graduate only to not get a job
I'm 49 and have been going through this for 20 years now..program.after program
Yes I made really bad choices that
cost me a very great deal

***you have been having increasing issues since your mother passed, a doctor has tried to reach out to you, you have stated you need assistance in learning to speak more professionally; you even stated the head of your program in one post (I didn't quote that one) that you are mentally ill????

YOUR posts have indicated the need to step back, get professional help possibly and determine what path you need to be on professionally and personally; only YOU have that power.

Best wishes.

BeenThereDoneThat74, MSN, RN · May 22, 2014

Young man (I'm not sure why I am assuming you are a man), you need to ask your school why you are failing. Your instructor, your course coordinate and your chairperson should be involved in this inquiry. There are objectives that need to be met. If you did not meet one (or more) by the end of the semester, that is often grounds for failure. What does your evaluation state- which objective did you fail to meet?

No one on this board can answer this question for you. If you are serious about redeeming yourself, you will inquire with the people who can answer the question for you.

Mr. Murse · May 23, 2014

hmmm.........sounds like you've left out MANY important pieces of this puzzle, danlee...........Ladyfree28's post showing your past actions and attitudes kind of changes everything........

mzrainydayz, BSN, RN · May 24, 2014

Wow, some story..........I never give meds with the primary nurse, I have to always give meds and do procedures with my clinical instructor. YOUR CLINICAL INSTRUCTOR IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU. Every semester we get a clinical packet, it tells you what you can and can't do, and what's expected of you at clinical. You obviously have some issues that you need to work on if you are to be successful in nursing school. Always follow directions and policy and procedures for your school and hospital. I say take some time away from school get yourself together mentally.