Clinical Instructor

Another unpopular opinion.  "Nurses Eat Their Young" is a vile phrase that should be retired. 

But someone's going to chime in with their personal experience about nurses eat their young.

Roll call:  Who here eat's they're young?  Anyone?  It's always someone else and never you.

Releasing unauthorized student information is a FERPA violation, not HIPAA. Those getting defensive at the question may be guilty themselves. Modern nursing education theory leans away from the concept of monster educator. We will keep eating our young till nursing educators lead by example.

One of the biggest fears of a healthcare worker is to acquire a life-threatening disease via a needle stick. This incident should have been dealt with in a more humane way.

The instructor seemed to be more upset due to the extra paper work the incident would have generated, rather than the student's wellbeing. Would she have thrown the same tantrum if the student was visibly injured?

is it OK for a hcare worker to lose their calm and throw tantrums in an emergency?

Is it OK to treat an injured student like a violator?

Is it OK to break FERPA privacy laws?

Is it OK to humiliate a student for any reason at all?

At my school the dean would have received a complaint right away, with a follow up with the Chancellor if the dean failed to take action.

By all means go all the way and pursue this. Get a lawyer involved if nobody helps. You will be doing nursing a service.

RN_SummerSeas said:

I am not sure what you are all talking about, her PHI was absolutely disclosed without her permission.

Nobody is claiming that PHI was not disclosed. We are saying that the instructor did not violate any HIPAA laws.

feelix said:

Releasing unauthorized student information is a FERPA violation, not HIPAA.

The information that the instructor disclosed does not fall under FERPA. Only 2 types of protected information fall under the purview of FERPA, and "Jane got a needle stick during her clinical rotation" is not one of them. Now, if the instructor had said "Jane got a needle stick during her clinical rotation, so she will be getting a failing grade this semester" - THAT would have been a FERPA violation.

Tweety said:

Another unpopular opinion.  "Nurses Eat Their Young" is a vile phrase that should be retired. 

But someone's going to chime in with their personal experience about nurses eat their young.

Roll call:  Who here eat's they're young?  Anyone?  It's always someone else and never you.

I used to, but one gave me food poisoning ? ?  just kidding. I wish the saying would retire as well. There are bullies in every profession under the sun, its not limited to nursing

feelix said:

Releasing unauthorized student information is a FERPA violation, not HIPAA. Those getting defensive at the question may be guilty themselves. Modern nursing education theory leans away from the concept of monster educator. We will keep eating our young till nursing educators lead by example.

One of the biggest fears of a healthcare worker is to acquire a life-threatening disease via a needle stick. This incident should have been dealt with in a more humane way.

The instructor seemed to be more upset due to the extra paper work the incident would have generated, rather than the student's wellbeing

Here's the deal: OP wasn't there, they got it 2nd hand from their daughter who was upset, and some things may have been blown out of proportion if daughter is the extra sensitive sort. None of us were there,  it's very easy to pass judgment, one way or another. The daughter has already discussed the situation via email, so hopefully that has produced the desired resolution

Hoosier_RN said:

  There are bullies in every profession under the sun, its not limited to nursing

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Bullies outside of healthcare are quickly taken to task and shown the door. It is in healthcare where doctors and nurses go around with fangs drawn and are rewarded for doing so.

We have a toxic culture of dog eat dog, where we trivialize the emotions of a victim by calling them over sensitive.

Wuzzie said:

Really? You should talk to some of my teacher friends. 

Again you are talking about a very similar work environment with too many people on a power trip. I am talking about the corporate environment.

feelix said:

 

You should talk to some of my friends that are lawyers, IT, real estate, and very upper tier management and their underlings at large companies. You are dreaming if you think it doesn't go on everywhere, and usually very unchecked. 

While it's never okay to be outright disrespectful, it's not okay to expect everyone to walk on eggshells to protect someone else's feelings. No one persons feelings are more important than another person's

Hoosier_RN said:

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Wuzzie said:

OK, talk to my corporate friends then. It's everywhere.

The phrase "it's a dog eat dog world" is an expression I've most often heard in the corporate world, meaning you have to step over the competition for your success.  

But the "nurses eat their young" I feel is a myth exaggerated but does not describe our profession as a whole.  Yes it happens.  I remember in clinical there was a nurse I was warned to stay away from as she didn't like students.  But I wouldn't go running "OMG! Nurses eat the young!" if she did something to me.  

This unfortunately is being perpetuated all these years later by influencers like former RN now comedian and influencer "Nurse Blake" with his "nurses eat their young, how about nurses support their young" campaign.  

We all have a story of a nurse that wasn't good to us and doesn't exemplify the best idea of good behavior.  I won't deny that.  Heck, some days even I have my moments where I crack.  But 99% of us are good people in a stressful situation, not a pack of wolves with our fangs out ready to devour young nurses,  and unfortunately for new grads when orientation is over, it's over.  I'm deep in my own crap too.

But it's my issues that I've talked about here ad nauseam so I'll let it go.