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Case Study #3

30ish male wheeled to room from triage. Slumped over in wheelchair. Able to move to stretcher with a lot of assistance from 2 staff members. Per parent, pt was "fine today". However, pt went to bathroom, came out, "was not himself, he was lethargic and keeps zoning out, so I brought him in".

Pt responds to touch but cannot or will not answer questions, skin flushed, warm and dry, hr 160, bp 90/50, rectal temp 102.6, rr 28, pulse ox 95. Hx is psych and etoh. Per parent, pt saw psychiatrist this afternoon and was recently released from rehab.

Nu? Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha thinking? Whatcha wanna know and what're your priorities?

Have at it.....

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We addressed the fever with tylenol 650mg pr. Pt was tubed to protect airway. And the doc was real interested in what csf might look like.... So what do think happened after tubing?

Tapped the spine to check the CSF...how fun! ;)

I lean to suicide attempt via overdose of ?. I defer to you guys with critical care/ER for your immed management. You do all your things but when there's the first chance, drop an NG and see if something comes back for analysis.

He's seeing psych and was released from rehab. Does he see any quality of life?

Just thinking...

PS - are these real case studies or hypothetical ones?

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I lean to suicide attempt via overdose of ?. I defer to you guys with critical care/ER for your immed management. You do all your things but when there's the first chance, drop an NG and see if something comes back for analysis.

He's seeing psych and was released from rehab. Does he see any quality of life?

Just thinking...

PS - are these real case studies or hypothetical ones?

Like that old TV show DRAGNET...'The story you are about to hear is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.' ;)
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We addressed the fever with tylenol 650mg pr. Pt was tubed to protect airway. And the doc was real interested in what csf might look like.... So what do think happened after tubing?
In my experience the MD would wait for the tox screen, and CBC with diff to come back before a spinal tap. Intubation would be performed to protect the airway.

Lets go over the beginning.

30ish male wheeled to room from triage. Slumped over in wheelchair. Able to move to stretcher with a lot of assistance from 2 staff members. Per parent, pt was "fine today". However, pt went to bathroom, came out, "was not himself, he was lethargic and keeps zoning out, so I brought him in".

Pt responds to touch but cannot or will not answer questions, skin flushed, warm and dry, hr 160, bp 90/50, rectal temp 102.6, rr 28, pulse ox 95. Hx is psych and etoh. Per parent, pt saw psychiatrist this afternoon and was recently released from rehab.

You assess the patient.

YOU begin to formulate a plan.

The patient needs O2 (nasal cannula), monitor, an IV and labs. In the ED setting... Labs include FSBS (finger stick blood sugar) which is performed on all altered patients of undetermined origin. The labs considered by the MD....CBC w Diff, Chem profile, possibly Cardiac enzymes (at least a CPK) and a liver panel. With the psych/alcohol history tox screen blood (Acetaminophen level) any drug levels, amylase, lipase (pancreatitis) and ETOH level. You obtain a urine tox screen for the standard...a "12-panel urine screen" consists of 12 of the following:

  • Amphetamines (including Methamphetamine)
  • Barbiturates
  • Benzodiazepines
  • Buprenorphine
  • Cannabinoids (THC)
  • Cocaine
  • Methadone
  • Methaqualone
  • Opioids (Codeine, Morphine, Heroin, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc.)
  • Phencyclidine (PCP)
  • Propoxyphene
  • Synthetic cannabinoids (K2, Spice)
  • Tricyclic antidepressants

Although they all won't be back stat.

You start an IV when you get your labs. The patient is tachy so you consider a EKG/12 lead. The patient is febrile so you do blood cultures and a CXR. YOu monitor the vitals frequently (q 15 min or automatic B/P cuff...we called it a dynamap) for changes.

A CT is ordered due the that patient being altered. The CT is negative.

Suddenly...The patient condition changes. They are showing signs of hypoxia. You change the patient to 100% non rebreather get stat ABG's. It is decided to intubate the patient.

This adds more questions....What do you consider for intubation? How does the nurse prepare? . What is needed to be ready for intubation? After the patient is intubated what is the first nursing task? What do you assess after intubation? What is ordered? What does the patient need now for nursing care after sedation and intubation?

....and yes IV Dantrium is the answer for malignant hyperthermia. Well done.

Out of curiosity was Tylenol given before the labs came back? Chance of overdose would make me a little slower on the trigger-hence why I went with external cooling for the fever.

I can see the thoughts behind wanting to get the tap but I had that way lower on my differential diagnosis list

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I would hesitate with the Tylenol as well until tox levels are back

I would hesitate with the Tylenol as well until tox levels are back
Makes me feel good - I was thinking the same too.
Makes me feel good - I was thinking the same too.

So was I. :yes:

Thanks for posting this! As a nursing student it really helps to see it all come together. I would love to see more of these!

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I would hesitate with the Tylenol as well until tox levels are back

We discussed this before administering & docs thought with this particular pt was low risk for acet to be in the mix.

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so we are here....what is next?

A CT is ordered due the that patient being altered. The CT is negative.

Suddenly...The patient condition changes. They are showing signs of hypoxia. You change the patient to 100% non rebreather get stat ABG's. It is decided to intubate the patient.

This adds more questions....What do you consider for intubation? How does the nurse prepare? . What is needed to be ready for intubation? After the patient is intubated what is the first nursing task? What do you assess after intubation? What is ordered? What does the patient need now for nursing care after sedation and intubation?

so we are here....what is next?

-Sterile Gloves (obvious reason)

-Make sure airway is aligned for visualizing. So we will place a pillow behind their neck to move their head up just a tad as if making a "snotty look".

-Suction catheter/Yaunker tip (Yaunker tip allows more secretions to be suctioned)

-NGT for gastric decompression and feeding. Although if pt ends up intubated longer than expected, I'd expect an order for a central line.

-BVM

-Normal Saline (I would get some NS because intubation and propofol sedation can cause a further drop in BP and further rise in HR)

-Some type of lubricant for when the physician intubates

-Laryngoscope and blade

The doctor will order propofol and succinylcholine. FIRST you administer propofol and THEN succinylcholine. Never the other way around.

Immediately after intubation we check for bilateral breath sounds because sometimes it'll go into the LEFT main bronchus.

Hopefully someone called for a portable Xray before this so by the time we're done they're here to snap some xrays and confirm placement.

This is what I found from my research through my nursing books and a little knowledge recall from clinical experience.

Edit: I came across cricoid pressure but a CRNA told me it's controversial because you can just occlude the airway if you're not careful.

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