I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

Tweety said:

I don't think he's thinking of race.  But has is his SOP he makes things up that are easily fact checks.  He knows he's making things up, but he also knows that many of his followers are going to believe his lies.  I don't thinks this is racism but his SOP.  It's scary actually that a man who would be President is like this.

Fair enough, but the article I posted makes the case that it's also Republicans wanting to keep it front and center.

Maybe. 

IMHO, the Republicans are simply countering the Democrats trying to keep it front and center, like Joe was doing with his dumb housing comment.

Beerman said:

Not so much for liberals.  Using race to inflame and divide is simply SOP.

Perhaps cherry picking an acknowledgement of racist practices in our society, to an audience who lived them, out of a political speech to try to make a point about using race to inflame and divide us is  an example of projection. 

There's a reason that so many conservatives feel inflamed and divided by acknowledgement of racist history and prefer to highlight THOSE small bits of a campaign speech. I could say that this agitated and defensive focus and perspective is SOP for conservatives.  They ignore speech that is reminiscent of earlier fascists (they weren't racist, right?) to focus on speech acknowledging the realities of racism to a black audience as inflammatory and divisive.  

As you might say, this criticism is rediculous. There are definitely better ways to criticize Biden. IMV

Tweety said:

I don't think he's thinking of race.  But has is his SOP he makes things up that are easily fact checks.  He knows he's making things up, but he also knows that many of his followers are going to believe his lies.  I don't thinks this is racism but his SOP.  It's scary actually that a man who would be President is like this.

Fair enough, but the article I posted makes the case that it's also Republicans wanting to keep it front and center.

Oh yeah, the foundations of using a birthplace to disqualify a candidate are definitely racist.  Trump doesn't deserve any more "benefits of the doubt" when it comes to his words and intentions.  He's squandered every single benefit of the doubt about what he meant when he said  "{fill in the blank}". Over and over he says things that smell of racism or sexism or fascism and over and over he reveals that is what is at the core of his grievance and messaging.  "Very fine people", "poisoning", etc.  

It is scary that a man like this HAS been president and so many people still want him to be president again.  Some will cheat and break laws to try to make that happen.  Many, including some in congress, are poised to deny the 2024 election results and any trial results that they don't like.  Too many believe that violence is a inevitable consequence of their political movement.  They are planning on that violence even now. 

toomuchbaloney said:

Perhaps cherry picking an acknowledgement of racist practices in our society, to an audience who lived them, out of a political speech to try to make a point about using race to inflame and divide us is  an example of projection. 

There's a reason that so many conservatives feel inflamed and divided by acknowledgement of racist history and prefer to highlight THOSE small bits of a campaign speech. I could say that this agitated and defensive focus and perspective is SOP for conservatives.  They ignore speech that is reminiscent of earlier fascists (they weren't racist, right?) to focus on speech acknowledging the realities of racism to a black audience as inflammatory and divisive.  

As you might say, this criticism is rediculous. There are definitely better ways to criticize Biden. IMV

He didn't acknowledge a racist practice.  He made one up.

Sad that some don't see how damaging this is to our society.

Beerman said:

He didn't acknowledge a racist practice.  He made one up.

Sad that some don't see how damaging this is to our society.

In your opinion.  

Beerman said:

Maybe. 

IMHO, the Republicans are simply countering the Democrats trying to keep it front and center, like Joe was doing with his dumb housing comment.

I'm sure the Republicans would rather talk about that than talk about immigrants poisoning us or suspending the constitution while playing dictator on day one and how Trump might represent retribution to his adoring voters.  

toomuchbaloney said:

In your opinion.  

Feel free to offer some evidence to disprove my opinion.

Beerman said:

Feel free to offer some evidence to disprove my opinion.

Why? You didn't provide any evidence that Biden made something up or that it is divisive and damaging to our country.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Why? You didn't provide any evidence that Biden made something up or that it is divisive and damaging to our country.  

You believe it to be true when he says that two identical houses in the same neighborhood will differ in value because one is owned by a white person and the other is owned by a black person?

What was his purpose in saying that?

Beerman said:

You believe it to be true when he says that two identical houses in the same neighborhood will differ in value because one is owned by a white person and the other is owned by a black person?

What was his purpose in saying that?

According to you, his purpose was to be divisive.  Of course, Trump, the front running republican challenger wasn't being divisive when he suggested that some Americans should rot in hell in his Christmas remarks, right? 

This upcoming election is all about contrast and comparison of Biden and Trump.  Who do you think is more divisive in their rhetoric? 

toomuchbaloney said:

According to you, his purpose was to be divisive.  Of course, Trump, the front running republican challenger wasn't being divisive when he suggested that some Americans should rot in hell in his Christmas remarks, right? 

This upcoming election is all about contrast and comparison of Biden and Trump.  Who do you think is more divisive in their rhetoric? 

That is correct.  Then I asked you what you think.

Do you believe what he said?  And, what was his purpose in saying it?

 

 

I caught most of the debate on CNN, and have seen clips of the "town hall" on Fox. 

Serious questions for those in favor of deporting immigrants, which all 3 candidates want: 

What do the logistics for that look like? Do you load up buses? Trains? Aircraft? How long would it take to deport 4 or10 million people (I've heard both figures)? Do you keep families together? 

And where do you start? Southern border states? Red states? Highest concentration areas? Will you spare the industries that depend on immigrant labor? Trump said he would send them to their country of origin. The Ukrainians who came 2 years ago are nearing the end of their 2 year conditional visas. Will they be deported too?