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Soy Sauce

I ate sushi a week ago & had soy sauce with it. I didn't even think about it until I got selected to test today. It wasn't much but of course now I'm worried. I read all salad dressing labels to make sure there's no red wine vinegar, I stay away from vanilla extract & cake icing, I don't use hand sanitizer at work on the days I test. I'm careful but the soy sauce didn't even cross my mind at the time ?.  Any thoughts or experience? 

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LOL. Soy Sauce doesn't contain alcohol. I ate Chinese Buffets twice weekly while in monitoring and added soy sauce every time and many of those times over 5 years, I would get selected to pee the next day. The thing about vanilla extract is possible but incredibly unlikely. You would have to have real vanilla rum based extract and eat like 5 to 6 cupcakes with vanilla run extract (most vanilla extracts now are fake and have no rum in them, only run flavor) within 6 hours before the test and MAYBE....maybe you might trigger positive. Same applies for alcohol hand based sanitizer. Use it sparingly, butnuse it. Inused it on average 5 times faily at work for years in monitoring. As for Soy Sauce? Total BS on anyone who tells you it can trigger a positive. Soy sauce doesn't have alcohol in it.

I avoid it..I'm craving Chinese food  

Soy sauce does contain alcohol.  Most evaporates off. I  can't wait to eat Chinese food 

Some soy sauce contains alcohol. I have a gluten allergy and every Chinese Buffett I've been to the last 10 years has and still has a Kikkoman option which is gluten free and alcohol free. Additionally, the alcohol in regular soy sauce is added in trace amounts Before the final heating/finishing process. Its the same thing as vanilla rum based extract used in cupcake batter. The alcohol is gone innthe final preparation process.. There are tiny trace amounts left that are no longer in the 2 or 3 percent range, but closer to 0.2 percent. One beer is 4 to 6 percent. Additionally, any tiny and I mean tiny amounts of alcohol left in Regular soy sauce is immediately gone by evaporation within 3 seconds of someone adding it to warm or hot food. 

Not going to trigger a positive for alcohol with soy sauce. Not going to happen..Now, you could stay away from soy sauce "not to take the chance" if you wish, but that could be taken a step further. Don't go outside or drive by a house on a dangerous street due to trace amounts of THC in the air. Better yet, don't go outside. We could take that as far as we want. Soy sauce is fine. Commonnsense is better. Paranoia equals control which equals....more problems with substances sooner or later down the road after monitoring. Its a dangerous thing. Fear is normal and healthy and a gift from God. Too much fear hints at an overwhelming desire for control. Thats dangerous.

Regalnurse said:

Some soy sauce contains alcohol. I have a gluten allergy and every Chinese Buffett I've been to the last 10 years has and still has a Kikkoman option which is gluten free and alcohol free. Additionally, the alcohol in regular soy sauce is added in trace amounts Before the final heating/finishing process. Its the same thing as vanilla rum based extract used in cupcake batter. The alcohol is gone innthe final preparation process.. There are tiny trace amounts left that are no longer in the 2 or 3 percent range, but closer to 0.2 percent. One beer is 4 to 6 percent. Additionally, any tiny and I mean tiny amounts of alcohol left in Regular soy sauce is immediately gone by evaporation within 3 seconds of someone adding it to warm or hot food. 

Not going to trigger a positive for alcohol with soy sauce. Not going to happen..Now, you could stay away from soy sauce "not to take the chance" if you wish, but that could be taken a step further. Don't go outside or drive by a house on a dangerous street due to trace amounts of THC in the air. Better yet, don't go outside. We could take that as far as we want. Soy sauce is fine. Commonnsense is better. Paranoia equals control which equals....more problems with substances sooner or later down the road after monitoring. Its a dangerous thing. Fear is normal and healthy and a gift from God. Too much fear hints at an overwhelming desire for control. Thats dangerous.

I detest the monitoring agreement.  Its by far the worst thing to ever happen to me.  I'll avoid anything that might cause a positive test happily.  I can do anything I want when my sentence is over. 

Healer555 said:

I detest the monitoring agreement.  Its by far the worst thing to ever happen to me.  I'll avoid anything that might cause a positive test happily.  I can do anything I want when my sentence is over. 

You do you. 

I have soy sauce all the time

While I understand the fear of some of the commentors, it truly is misplaced. Long before I became an RN, I worked for a construction company in the role of safety coordinator -the only relevant part is that one of my duties was drug-testing new hires, and random drug testing certain personnel. 

ALL (and I do mean all) drug/substance testing has 'buffer levels', that is, you can have a small value, but still come out lower than what would be triggered as a positive value. Its a safeguard against false positives (for instance the often cited myth by some drug abusers that their hamburger had poppy seeds, and that made them pop the test). Some natural substances and (legal) food products may result in a small amount being detected, but it will be WELL BELOW even the most stringent drug test levels. No way are you going to get popped for eating food with soy or vanilla extract, or washing your hands with sanitizer (I love to cook, and make my own vanilla extract, using vodka to leech the vanilla beans, over months -cooking will flash off any alcohol -alcohol evaporates at 170F). Even if it didn't, you have what, a half tsp or tsp in the whole dish you are cooking, divide it by the serving you eat? Do the math. Being careful is one thing, but going neurotic is unhealthy,

Everything you said is spot on except one thing and I've seen it happen. Vanilla extract, pure vanilla extract made of rum has popped some people on occasion if consumed within a few hours before the urine test and here's the important part......Pure Vanilla Extract that is uncooked. Yes, Vanilla extract and the alcohol in it is easily evaporated and gone when placed in cake batter from the heat. That is absolutely no issue there. But, some high end bakeries and 5 star restaurants use Vanilla extract in their cake ICING that is not cooked or heated and if enough cake icing consumed within 6 or so hours before a urine test, it is possible (rare, but possible) to pop positive.

Soy sauce and alcohol hand sanitizer?  No way will these make anyone pop positive,  I eat cakes all the time. Eat Chinese and soy sauce all the time. I eat poppy seed muffins daily for years. I use alcohol hand sanitizer liberally for years and had no issues eith testing and monitoring. But, I was hesitant on eating a cupcake or cake with icing on the day I tested unless I was sure the icing had no pure vanilla extract. Thats the only minor adjustment I did. Otherwise, on most days and when not selected to pee that day, I ate lots of cakes and icing and many many times, the icing had true vanilla extract and I never had a problem.

Other than obvious no alcohol or drugs, eat Chinese and soy sauce all you want, use hand sanitizer and eat cakes and poppy seeds and don't hold back, except if you wake up and are selected tp pee that day, I would skip the cupcake or cake icing until after you pee that day. 

Id avoid poppy seeds. I know two people who tested positive.  One was " forgiven " by the board because the ingestion of poppy seeds , one got more time. 

Regalnurse said:

Everything you said is spot on except one thing and I've seen it happen. Vanilla extract, pure vanilla extract made of rum has popped some people on occasion if consumed within a few hours before the urine test and here's the important part......Pure Vanilla Extract that is uncooked. Yes, Vanilla extract and the alcohol in it is easily evaporated and gone when placed in cake batter from the heat. That is absolutely no issue there. But, some high end bakeries and 5 star restaurants use Vanilla extract in their cake ICING that is not cooked or heated and if enough cake icing consumed within 6 or so hours before a urine test, it is possible (rare, but possible) to pop positive.

Soy sauce and alcohol hand sanitizer?  No way will these make anyone pop positive,  I eat cakes all the time. Eat Chinese and soy sauce all the time. I eat poppy seed muffins daily for years. I use alcohol hand sanitizer liberally for years and had no issues eith testing and monitoring. But, I was hesitant on eating a cupcake or cake with icing on the day I tested unless I was sure the icing had no pure vanilla extract. Thats the only minor adjustment I did. Otherwise, on most days and when not selected to pee that day, I ate lots of cakes and icing and many many times, the icing had true vanilla extract and I never had a problem.

Other than obvious no alcohol or drugs, eat Chinese and soy sauce all you want, use hand sanitizer and eat cakes and poppy seeds and don't hold back, except if you wake up and are selected tp pee that day, I would skip the cupcake or cake icing until after you pee that day. 

I'd be truly impressed if someone popped an etoh test off of vanilla extract. I mean I guess anything is possible, but would believe you would have to consume (in that icing) a LOT of it to get an alcohol reading high enough to do that. Especially six hours later. But to be fair, if I know I'm going to be tested, I guess I'd avoid the cake /icing until after the test (nothing to celebrate prior to the test anyway). certainly something to think about. 

Of note, some things we eat or take (dietary suppliments, for example) can leave metabolites that give or push a false reading (thankfully this is very unlikely to be above the minimum limits for the test, but I still found it interesting)

Brewingbiker said:

I'd be truly impressed if someone popped an etoh test off of vanilla extract. I mean I guess anything is possible, but would believe you would have to consume (in that icing) a LOT of it to get an alcohol reading high enough to do that. Especially six hours later. But to be fair, if I know I'm going to be tested, I guess I'd avoid the cake /icing until after the test (nothing to celebrate prior to the test anyway). certainly something to think about. 

Of note, some things we eat or take (dietary suppliments, for example) can leave metabolites that give or push a false reading (thankfully this is very unlikely to be above the minimum limits for the test, but I still found it interesting)

Do you know what dietary supplements can make you test positive? I've been taking a lot of vitamins and supplements lately 

None. Keeping taking them. 

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