crispycritter

Hello, Sorry for the delay in response, been busy passing nursing school..LOL!! I was an AP student, so never did block 2 as traditional student, I have friends in block 2 right now and they are doing well. I have enjoyed my time at Estrella and also did my LPN there. I liked the instructors, but you get what you put into it!! Good Luck with whatever you decide!! I just passed Final with a 94%, so I am pretty happy. Preceptor, Graduation and then NCLEX!!

Also no matter where you go it is what you are willing to put into it, it hasn't been easy, but worth it. Good luck

Yes I will be finished with capstone and all done may 14, so almost there. Yes I would recommend estrella for nursing school. They have worked with me on a few issues, have good instructors. I know a lot of the CEP students and they like it also, there will be good and bad o matter where you go and depending on who you talk to. I also went there for LPN, so I knew what it would be like in advance. Hope this helps some.

Going good, finished OB and PEDs,just started Medsurg. Passing so far, and clinicals have been good so far also. Any word on your start date?

BTW, clinicals for this block 3 are on Sunday, saturday and Friday (at least for my group), Thank goodness not back to back at this point,so should have time to do a good care plan and paperwork, I am sure it will vary,depending on the block and difficulty getting clinical sites scheduled. 2 clinicals are downtown PHX, one site is more central west phx, so again not too bad, these clinicals are scheduled for 630-1830 I believe.

2 years, wow I got so lucky, did the lpn with no waitlist, worked for a couple years while finishing prereqs, applied for block 3 and got accepted within 2 weeks. Nursing school to this point has been challenging, I enjoy medical and have a background in it, so I found the prereqs harder than LPN school. However, I have no kids and do not have to work during school, so I am spoiled and have time for the studying. The schedule for block 3 is pretty scattered, one week I go 3 days for 3-4 hours, some weeks I go 4-5 days with 2 clinicals in same week as well as 2 classes and a hands on lab. So schedule is screwy, lots of info thrown at you all at once, but still had classmates that had kids,worked full time and passed LPN,so it is doable. Sounds like you have a positive attitude and approach, so study and you should do fine Good luck to you, I njoyed EMCC especially being a smaller school with the nursing classes and lab being confined to one area, no major rush between classes and few hassle.

Will be starting at EMCC on the 25th block 3. Was a choice between GCC and EMCC, I chose EMCC, because I went to LPN there. How long is their waiting list to start?

Found out how,on my own with a little more digging. Thanks

Ok new, beautiful day, not as much coffee today! I do see how original post was confusing, man on ground was not patient of said property, but a maintenance man, no code status and had not been down long enough to be deemed "dead", by anyone. The whole point I was trying to make (appearantly not so well), is as a whole as people, we should all help each other as much as possible and not worry so much about consequences/especially as medical professionals. Yes new to nursing, have had difficulty transitioning from military medic to civilian nurse for sure! However, am crusty just not a bat yet! PS would love to change screen name to something more fitting, have looked thru search and dashboard, to try and figure out how, anyone able to point me in that direction? Thanks

Anyway, I totally concede the point, I apologize to anyone and everyone if my posts seemed angered or over wrought, was not my intention. I love all my fellow nurses, but am somewhat passionate about helping people that are in need,especially in pre hospital setting, sure didn't mean to turn it into this. So take care and probably last post on AN!

It does state in that one sentence that it is within the scope of RN,RPN and LPN to pronounce if set by guideline of policy, (which would basically be the same as standing orders, which would be set forth by MD and facility policy), but also states that even an RPN cannot pronounce in an unexpected death, since an LPN is working under an RN or even RPN how does this clear your point. As stated in original post the situation was unexpected death of non patient, which was pronounced by an LPN! Expected death and DNRs are completely different, than a non patient un expected death. Don't ya think?

http://www.nurses.ab.ca/content/dam/carna/pdfs/DocumentList/Guidelines/PronounceDeath_Sept2011.pdf Fiona59 is this the link you wanted?

Depending on state, as long as the provider is not getting compensation for care of that person they should be covered under good samaritan law, again depending on state. Then we are still only talking about bls care, not open chest heart massage, etc..

So when you do a pronouncement assesment you go ahead and call the funeral home and family on your own with no call or advisement from an RN or MD without any further verification?

DNR is totally different, if you don't have DNR on record/in hand and you donot provide basic care yes basic care as I stated in original statement, then absolutely ignorant and wrong. In situation that was stated in my original post we still worked on the guy,until all we could do was done, to no avail, would rather have tried and know I tried than not try at all. Why wouldn't you? As stated in original post person in question was a maintenance man working at facility, not a patient, so unless he had a DNR in his pocket, damn right you do everything able to help. This thread was about a person on property, not a patient with a DNR, I would not if I knew for a absolute fact the person had a DNR, if a person sitting at a bus stop goes into cardiac arrest, would you not as a medical professional do basic care? Do you call a number you find in their wallet and ask if they have a DNR order?

stand corrected on that,however in az as far as I read on BON, an LPN cannot do an actual assesment,but collect the data to be provided to RN/MD, then how would an LPN be able to pronounce death with her assesment? To do nothing IMHO is ignorant and hugely liable, why wouldn't medical staff do everything within their training to help somone.? I do see that lpn pronouncement has been a topic on here in the past, will look at those threads to educate myself on that. Thanks

I have dealt with this a couple of times when I was an EMT, arrived at a call at a assisted living facility with an LTC on same property for a cardiac code (ems called by grounds worker/coworker prior to nurse arrival). Upon arrival nurse report was "patient was dead upon our arrival", so did you do cpr or AED? No he was already dead! Who made that determination? Our LPN, Really? An LPN cannot declare death, he is on your property, during business hours with trained medical staff present. If even basic care is not rendered on a medical site with trained medical personnel present, depending on the state, it is basically abandonment, patient or not. If you are on duty, working under your license at time of incident, especially on your property, and basic care was not rendered, opens everything and everyone up to legal liability. "well we didn't have consent", Really? Implied consent is justifiable in these situations and everything should be done that is within the scope of practice of person present, which I am pretty sure CPR and AED is required for even housekeeping at most facilities. As for documentation, you rendered emergency care to a person on your property, during business hours, documentation should be done and filed, just like he is a patient, even follow up documentation should be obtained and documented, even if it is "called ER to check on status of John Doe at 1300 hours, received Etc.. from Nurse Jane on patients condition" and should be filed just like he is a patient. If this patient was my family member and basic care was not rendered on your property while during business hours, and he passed, the money I received from this lawsuit would pay for my medical school. To me it sounds like everything was done correctly, and for the MD to say that is ignorant. My two cents P.S. I also would not care about the policy of said medical office, I would rather help someone in need and face being fired, than do nothing in fear of the consequences! I still carry a full medic bag everywhere I go (minus the drugs), and stop at many and any accident site, to help, I don't care if all I do is hold C-spine on patient, while patching to EMS enroute. We are all there to help!

I dropped out of high school at 16, took chemistry at 43 for first time, was difficult but passed with an A in lecture and an A+ in lab. Another poster mentioned dimensional analysis earlier, start practicing now for chemistry as well as nursing will need it for both. Did not enjoy the class,but it is doable if u do the homework and the practice in the book. You got this!

Don't beat yourself up about it, pharm is a hard course and there is a reason they make you retake it before doing the bridge program. Evaluate your weaknesses in pharm and do again, study smarter and communicate with your instructor problems you have/had during course, ask for advise from new instructor and/or other students. After coming this far,giving up is not an option, head down,breath and get it done!

Study in bed with coffee early morning(usually before 5am). Before school in a group, very rarely in evening.

I would love to do flight ccn, but have been told I am way too big (6'4", 280). They watch their weight pretty closely on life flights.

My all time favorite "it hurts when I do this", favorite answer "then don't do that", followed with maybe you should see the doc about that.

I agree with applying in person, online resumes very often are discarded by the "auto trash can", definantly in person is better. If in person is not an option, visit HR in some places that you would want to work and ask for advise/opinions from people working there/ if HR is not an option talk to the nurses working there and put it as "if you were me,who would you talk to", check your resume for keywords and placement of these words, there is a lot of info online about resume writing and auto discarders. I have found that most people in this world have an opinion and enjoy giving advise if asked properly, besides a lot of getting a good job has to do with networking, and getting out there. Took the VA 3 years to call me about a job interveiw, after applying many times for various positions, finally get the call and there was no way to work around my RN school schedule, next person on list got so lucky lol. Keep pounding away, something will come!

I do no understand why they make you wait, it is so frustrating and nerve racking. When I took NCLEX PN I swore after the test that I had failed, 75 questions, took me 45 min, was so upset! The AZBON had it posted within 24 hours,even before pearson vue allowed the quick results. I passed, but the wait is killer, I don't understand the wait it is a computer test auto graded. So not looking forward to the RN NCLEX, congrats to those that passed.