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Your success in this program will depend your writing- English majors consistently did better than biology and nursing undergrads. A B is from 80 -90. CNL is not well respected in bedside nursing. I know some students that worked, but soon dropped their jobs or enrollment. NW Ohio cranks out over a 1000 RNs every May, so don't plan to work in the area. Of course all levels of the nursing profession are saturated Good luck.

Before jumping into a NP program, I would urge students to do their own research on the demand for NPs and discount what admissions staff is pushing. They just want to put axxxxs in seats. I saw a chart the other day that showed most NP salary were below national averages. Also, keep in mind that that most positions are asking for more years of experience. Good luck!

It depends on who you ask. Some nurses at CC in certain departments really like their jobs while other departments are really tough on nurses. It is a large communality at CC, with diverse cultures even among the same departments. CC is on the cutting edge of medicine which may or may not translate to a good nursing environment. Management tends to treat nurses as a commodity- "a nurse is a nurse is a nurse" (although the HR department produces a lot of propaganda to the contrary), while MDs are gods.If you work at CC, you better understand this or your days will be numbered.Parking at CC is the worst. UH is kind of always in the shadow of CC.It is smaller than CC, but most nurses there tend to feel that they are treated better at UH. There is less emphasis on nursing proficiency and more on unit cohesiveness. Although some of the supervisors at UH were a bit vexing, I always found the MDs there to be helpful and polite. Benefits and salaries are for the most part identical. So there is no one answer to your question- Some may say I love CC, other may say I hate it. Both could be right depending on where they worked. Whereas with UH, most will be less extreme in their feelings and say it's okay. Sorry I couldn't be more definitive in my answer, but this is only my experience. Good luck!

If you have a position at UM, count yourself lucky. I am familiar with both health systems and there are many reasons why you are better positioned at UM than in the Toledo area. If you need more details- PM me. Have you considered moving to lessen your commute?

Most people have talked to while I was there, felt that the price was not worth it. There are schools just as good, OSU being one of them. The cost of living near campus is much higher then other Ohio schools. The ranking of nursing schools doesn't make sense as the other state schools I attended were just as good as Case. Some of the Case instructors (won't mention any names, but my fellow classmates know who they are) were badly informed and terrible at teaching. I guess all it take these days at Case is to publish like crazy, get tenure and live off the fat of over priced student tuition, which you will be burdened with for years. Psych is in demand now, particularly at VA Clinics, so getting a job is no problem. Good Luck! :)

Anukis, Why did you transfer from UT?

I would have made the same decision. I am graduated now, but with a ton of student loan debt that will be like a millstone around my neck for the next TEN YEARS! Besides after your first job, who cares where you went to school- professional networking and job references will determine how your career advances. Just remember to never stop learning!

If you are in a hurry for coverage, then be fore warned- the U of M hiring process can take at least a month or so before you get an offer. The VA is even worse- in most cases it is a minimum of 4 months and sometimes longer. I don't know about St. Joes, but UM and the VA can be great place to work for the benefits, but the cost of living in Ann Arbor is on the high side. Prepare and good luck!

Having attended FPB at CWRU and two other state schools in Ohio I can assure you that Case will be much more expensive for no difference in the education experience. The best thing they have going for them is the relationship with Cleveland Clinic where the best practices are employed. A little friendly advice- While at FPB, I did clinicals alongside students from CCC, Cleveland State and Kent. They all did fine and I'm sure they don't have the student loan debt I have thanks to going to a private school. Besides after your first job, nobody cares where you went to school but how good your references are from your last job. School ranking are sort of a joke, they are based more on publications, not classroom performance. There are good and bad teachers everywhere, FPB is no exception to this rule. I must admit I had high expectation when I enrolled at CWRU and was sadly disappointed when the experience was the same as lesser ranked schools where the cost was more than half of Case. I have gain a new respect for the faculty at my "lesser ranked" schools. Of course one item is free at Case- arrogance! Think carefully about your choice and good luck.

Unfortunately, Promedica and Mercy have a near monopoly on nursing position in NW Ohio and with the oversupply of nurse in the area; hence professionalism toward nurses has suffered. This trend started in 2008 and continues today with no end in sight. Promedica has a particularly bad reputation in recruiting and making statement that simply aren’t true. In a discussion on this very topic a group of nurses at a professional association all were in agreement that this seems to be the case. They all lamented the fact but were resigned to it. It is not just the corporate entities that caused this lack of respect and courtesy to the nursing profession, nursing schools everywhere are constantly pushing the myth of a nursing career without regard to whether or not there will be employment when you are handed a very expensive piece of paper. Nursing school want to fill seats so they can increase their salaries and get tenure. Then some (more than they would admit to) slid in to mediocrity and their classes become a horrible bore where misinformation is routinely dispensed. Nursing is a noble profession, but to many, it is just commodity.

Can you cite the name of the waiver document? My manager spoke to HR about a waiver of this type- they said they were not aware of it. Perhaps ignorance is bliss and a good way to avoid a $7500 expence. $7500 won't begin to cover my Case tuition for the year, but it would put a dent in it.

Had I known that, I would have gone to OSU instead Case. Ranking means very little (to nothing) after your first job experience when seeking a new position. Would I trade my Case NP degree and $60,000 student debt for an OSU NP and no debt- in a micro-second! You have golden opportunity.

Keep in mind, that most places I have worked at allow you to take advantage of the tuition benefit right away-CC make you wait a year before you are able to pay for tuition.

I'm surprised that no one has posted about this topic that comes up for a vote in a few weeks. Ohio is no different than most states in that these are hard times. I'm sure that most of you have been saturated we TV ads both pro and con, but one thing in particular has bothered me. We nurses are looked upon with high regard by the public in several polls I have seen. It seems this hard earned reputation is being used by the opponents of Issue 2 to imply in ads and their website that nurses per sec will be affected by this law: http://action.weareohio.com/page/s/issue2primer "Issue 2 will make our nursing shortage worse. It makes it illegal for nurses, hospital and clinic workers to demand reasonable and safe staffing levels--so nurses will juggle more patients while their salaries and benefits are cut." Here we go again-"our nursing shortage worse". When will we stop hearing this falsehood? Furthermore the website states the law makes it "illegal for nurses, hospital and clinic workers" again not true because it only prohibits public employees. Last time I checked, most nurses are not public employees. "Teachers, nurses, firefighters are not the reason Ohio's budget is in trouble. Big corporations, their high-paid lobbyists and the politicians they fund are blaming middle class Ohioans for a problem they caused." Again, the collective use of the word nurses, to imply that the law affects all nurses. Thus, capitalizing on the great reputation that nurses enjoy. I realize there are two sides to this topic and I hope both will be put forward so we can make an informed decision on November 8th. My only point is don't propagate the myth of a "Nursing shortage" when so many GN go for months with no job offers and so many hospital are hiring so few experienced nurses. Also, be honest and state this law will only apply to nurses that are public employees and not to the vast majority of nurses that work in non-public hospitals, veterans hospitals, military hospitals, doctor's offices and clinics.

In short- it is very competitive, even for an experienced nurse as many hospitals limit opening to people who are already in the system. Promedica and Mercy are the two biggest systems NW Ohio and you can check out their offering on the web. I know some GNs from last May who still haven't found jobs, unless you count working Wendy's or Sonics.

I know for a fact that recruiters that normally are based at the main CC hospital were sent to Huron to be present for information distribution.

Ditto to everything above, the "Nursing Shortage" is a big lie promulgated by nursing school who release false or misleading studies on a future short fall in nurses. Anybody can predict something in the future and by the time the future comes, everybody forgets about the prediction that was wrong. Why? Well of course, they have a new study stating the same prediction. The result is, seats are filled and tuition is paid- professors get tenure. The abundance of nurses also plays in to the hands of the hospital who want to drive nurse's pay down. Five years ago, some nurses were getting $5,000 sign-on bonuses, now those same nurses are lucky to get job with an increased patient load. Gee, I bet your professors never mention that when they filled your head with mush about making a difference like Nurse Nightingale:nurse:. Nor did they mention the long hours on end standing on your feet, working nights, weekends, holidays as a matter of routine:crying2:-hoping that 50 year old nurse on day shift who has 20 years seniority will die;), working with disease and associate putrid smells and all sort of body fluids:eek:, patients and their visitors who think you are a waitress at a pop stand:uhoh3: and having to deal with death........................Why didn't I become a teacher, at least they get to retire after 30 years. I am sorry that I can't offer the OP any advice other than what has been already stated:(- even that will not guarantee a job. Hopefully, those in school that are thinking about nursing- take heed of these posts about no jobs at this state forum and others before you make a commitment to a vocation where there are more graduates than openings. We have been posting about this for three years and nursing schools are still pumping out more nurse with no end in sight and stagnant wages:down:

Hearsay or not, Indiana has alway had a fine reputation of educating health care profession. They better hurry, because the word is out(more hearsay, no one wants to go on the record) many school of nursing with ties to a medical school with a residency in anesthesia plan to add a NA program. Reason: it is a profit center in addition to other masters programs, easy to add because they are already have the faculty to teach the NP core courses and it will be a provide a steady supply of CRNA's for its medical center. It is amazing to me that more PA program aren't starting up. There are a lot less of them, than there are NP programs. In Ohio, last time I checked there were more CRNA programs than PA. I wonder...... As always, you got to follow the money- its all about the money.

If you meant clinical rotations there are more options on sites but no programs excepting to new one in Columbus: Otterbein University/Grant Medical Center Nurse Anesthesia Program In addition to the two Toledo hospital that offer clinical sites for MI program, there are sites in Dayton and Cincinnati that offer sites for TWU- check the TWU NA program website for the best up to date information. P.S. Don't mean to question your driving skills, but even Jeff Gordon would have a hard time making it to St. Vincent or Toledo Hospital in " in Toledo (this is about 1:15 drive from Fort Wayne " in that time and in the winter Cherry Street can be a mess!

No NA program in Toledo. Programs in Ohio; Case/CCR- Cleveland, Akron U.- Akron, SEHC- Youngstown, and UC- Cincinnati. Toledo is 60 minutes due east on turnpike from the Indiana border.

As soon as you have the 1,750 hours in, you can apply to take the test. It is a good idea to check with your supervisor to make sure there is agreement with total hours because they do audit a certain number of the applications. If you can get the 1,750 hours in before a year, no problem. However, some part-time ICU RN or APRN have to have had at least 875 within the last calendar year. This is done to assure experience is current.

There are various specialty opportunities out there provide you have the desire and ability to pursue them. You must do the research yourself, but here is one program that gives you an idea of the type of effort involved: College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences - Post Masters Curriculum I have heard nothing but good things about the program.

It is good to recite this article from memory whenever I am wiping poo from a 400 lb. pt. and wondering why my PhD. nursing professor from the ivory tower never told me about how often this skill would be employed. As I search through the folds of blubber, hoping the Foley will find its place, a singular thought repeats itself in my mind, "Am I providing the exceptional, empathic, and optimal holistic care that my patient deserves and that I can be proud of?" To be a nurse philosopher is much better than a nurse "holistic provider of excellence incarnate/champion",------ or as Confucius say "Much nicer to shovel poo, than to swim in poo!" Why don't nurse philosophers get a REAL job! :twocents:

For starting positions, the short answer is no. I have never read anyone state that because they went to such-and-such-big-deal school they got a higher starting pay than someone got offered at a lower tier school. This is true of most industries. Maybe someone with an MBA from Wharton gets a better starting salary than an MBA from the average state school, but this is the exception. The biggest benefit in going to the better NA schools is the clinical rotations tend to be higher in both in quantity and quality. As the job market becomes tighter in the next several years (CRNA have no natural immunity to the laws of supply and demand, just like graduate nurses 3 or 4 years ago!) the graduates from schools with the best reputations will have a competitive advantage over graduates of lower ranked schools with equal credentials (GPA, experience, interviewing skills) when it comes to getting a job. After your first position, it is experience, reputation and recommendations that count for landing the next job- where you went to school is history. However, the nursing profession does have a unique and strange policy for hiring graduate nurses (GN). Practically all hospitals, public or private, of all types, in all different units have the same starting pay for a GN RN no matter what the degree they bring to the job. From diploma to MSN, they all get the same pay. This is unheard of in most industry today that recognizes academic achievement with increased starting pay. Just another example of how the nursing profession gets the bum's rush by its own industry.

Citation please, Dr.