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Definitely not a credible source. With that said, you are misinterpreting what they're saying in the release. Now I'm not saying that all the information in the "story" is true or factual. What I am saying is that they're talking in legal terms, like lawyers do, and you're reading in normal human being terms, like a normal human being. They're not saying Excelsior didn't disclose a pass rate, they're saying Excelsior released conflicting, and possibly fraudulent pass rates. They're also alleging Excelsior stands to gain increased revenues by maintaining a high failure rate. They're also alleging that Excelsior doesn't fully disclose the details of the CPNE until a student is far along in the program and they've got EC dead to rights on that one. Information about the CPNE isn't hidden as it's commonly available from former test takers and third party educational providers. Their allegation basically centers around the fact that EC doesn't release all the details until you're CPNE eligible. Case in point, EC considers it a violation of the Academic Honesty policy to give the CPNE study guide to a student that isn't CPNE eligible and EC doesn't give students the study guide materials until they've completed every component of the nursing program. Now the key question is, is that a fraudulent or deceptive practice. That's one of the big questions up the court to answer. I do think EC is going to have an uphill battle defending that practice. I do agree about EC settling and passing the costs on to other students. Class action lawsuits are EXPENSIVE, very, very EXPENSIVE. Much more expensive than just a lawsuit from a single entity. When you get multiple law firms involved, it gets astronomical. Here's what's jumping out at me... a) Any information regarding the test until all of the mini?courses were completed, consumers have spent thousands of dollars, and it was time to take the CPNE. At that time, Plaintiffs received information about the test. That's true. b) The extent of EC's involvement in designing, administering and manipulating the test, and EC's pecuniary interest and stakes in the result of the test; Not sure about this one, but the fact that EC doesn't include any mandatory preparation course prior to the CPNE is going to hurt them. Especially when they have optional workshops for $300 dollars after you become CPNE eligible. e) That the test, as administered, does not insure a fair and objective assessment” of the consumer's knowledge and skill; The exam is subjective. Good luck fighting the "fair" assertion. I personally think that's B.S. but juries love that word. f) That the test is subjective and is susceptible to arbitrary application. As a result, consumers are allowed to pass when they should not and are not permitted to pass when they should; That's going to be a tough one to prove. What are they gonna do, bring in various EC graduates to demonstrate their competence in front of a jury? Good luck with that. k) That due to the subjective nature of the CPNE, students find themselves required to take workshops, which provide the supervised, clinical instruction, which the EC program lacks; and This is true. Attendance of a third party workshop is not required, but EC has spawned a small cottage industry by failing to provide adequate instruction themselves, which is going to hurt EC in this case, badly. l) That due to the nature of the exam, some consumers would inherently face different scenarios than other consumers, and that the examiners,the equipment and the test criteria have varied, and do vary, from site to site. They got EC dead to rights on that one. I think EC has some problems they're going to have to address. If the head honchos at EC are smart they'll revamp this thing to be a more objective test, immune from lawyers and lawsuits. I have several ideas on how this could be done relatively easily but if EC wants those, they're going to have to pay me for them. :-) And those are just some of my thoughts on this.

I sent you a pm.

Congrats, getting a B on LS3 is no easy task. Good job. LS2 is easier than LS3, not nearly as in depth. So can you pm those amazing study materials for CCRN, CEN that you were talking about?

CCEMTP here and LS1 was unbelievably easy and so was Repro. I made A's on both, they were beyond simple. LS2 was ok, and LS3 was the worst test I've ever taken in my life, I took them all in August so this was recent. If you don't mind, pm those amazing materials you're talking about, please.

They told me the same thing, April to June. I had my app in the first week of November. I also got lucky and got a cancellation date. I also test 1/9 and I'm testing at Grady. Where are you testing at?

Great news. Did you call and get a date or did you get it by being on the cancellation list? I'm on the cancellation list with fingers crossed!

Right now I'm just reading the study guide and learning mnemonics. I'm gonna do ROb's CPNE but I'm torn about a hands on workshop, I've thought about doing Sherri Taylor's workshop in Atlanta but I'm living on a disability pension which doesn't leave much room in the budget.

Have you taken an EC practice exam yet? I highly recommend those as a way to see where you're at with the subject and as a study tool. The rationales for the answers are very helpful.

Unfortunately you won't be able to do Reproduction first. You have to take the exams in phases which consist of phase one and phase two. You can't move on to phase two until you're done with phase one and Reproduction is in phase two. The good news is that Reproduction was one of the easier exams. I had no OB/GYN experience other than a 12 hour shift in L&D during my paramedic clinicals ten years ago and I've never had any in-depth education on reproduction other than what I've picked on from previous relationships and I made an A on that one. I'm not kidding when I say it was easy, super easy. I also highly recommend joining the Excelsior Nursing group on Facebook. Lots of people in there, including yours truly, that will share their experiences and thoughts. Even if you don't do Facebook, it's worth it just for that. I honestly thought about deleting my Facebook until I stumbled on that page.

Transitions was as hard as micro, then the next six were pretty easy and the last one, LS3, was the hardest of them all.

I think (it's been about a year) that I made a 45 on practice test A and a 55 on test B. Made a B on the real exam. It was a tough one.

I'm waiting on a CPNE date then I'll be done. As far as study tips StudyGuide101 is an incredible resource. Their flash cards are great. The EC practice tests are a must have and Saunders NCLEX review was a good supplement but their test questions are way easier than EC exams.

I understand, and as I said, I truly do hope it works out for you. As for EC's exams, I did most of them in a week, devoting roughly forty hours of study time to each exam, so you can easily beat your self imposed deadline if you choose. You sound motivated and that's crucial to doing a program like this. I wish you well with your studies.

I think you're taking a big gamble by going this route. Good luck and I hope it works out like you've planned.

I spent about 40 hours of study time for each exam. The practice exams were very helpful with the exception of LS3, the practice exams were useless for that exam. I probably should have spent 80 hours studying for that one.