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  1. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    I agree. Writing a note about receiving an order wouldn't help at all. The only thing that could help is a witness. I am waiting for RN who was near by that day. She is currently on vacation. However, as you already suggested I would probably just move on. Thank you everybody for your opinions and support. I am slowly letting it go. On the other hand, I still can't accept that nothing is done about it: " Oh... this doctor.... we know... don't worry.... he does that sometimes....." He does that sometimes?????????? *****??????? How about some disciplinary actions for "doing that sometimes"??????? BTW, very interesting fact: he actually DID sing the order!!!! How does this make ANY sense???????? I think he signed the order then he was notified that patient is not ok and decided that the order is wrong .....
  2. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    It wasn't an adult dose. We routinely give 10 to adolescents. Pt. just developed EPS, things happen. But the Dr. decided to put this on me . Thank you for support. I am starting to forget about it.
  3. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    Mom made a big deal over this incident and was threatening to sue. I doubt the EPS was from my shot. because it developed four days later.
  4. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    My version: I heard 10, repeated back 10, end of conversation. His version. I heard 5, repeated back 5, started arguing about how inappropriate is to give 5 and went on giving 10 despite his order and explanation! WHY WOULD I DO THAT?????? There could be a SLIM chance that I forgot how much he told me (however, it is nearly impossible) IF he didn't start making up stories about us arguing on the phone and me pressuring him to give higher dose. I know 200% there was no conversation of that sort. He makes up stories which leaves no room for me to doubt myself.
  5. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    I was told that taping violates HIPPA.
  6. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    Thank you for support. "Ugly" is a perfect definition for this story. I am infuriated that MDs can feel safe to put blame on nurse if an "oopsy" happens. What is worst case scenario for them? NOTHING!!! Nurse won't get in trouble! That is their worst possible consequences! But what hurts me even more.... He told one of the nurses that I kept insisting on higher dose. Later he changed his mind and took his words back. The nurse told this to me but refused to confess " because she doesn't want to get involved". The other nurse, who also heard the conversation also stated " Sorry .... but not gonna get involved...". Sad.....
  7. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    Document what? I wrote the order down.. What else could I have I documented? Pt. was transferred to another unit and 4 days later developed EPS. It is very unlikely to develop EPS 4 days after a single dose. EPS usually occurs either with scheduled anti-psychotic (given daily) or soon after the administration of STAT order not 4 days later. I can't document because the patient is no longer under my care.
  8. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    Please choose a facility with electronic records
  9. Irabee

    Doctor's lying about telephone order

    Yes, We are still paper based and 99% of orders on pm and night shift are given over the phone. The administration agreed not to write me up but I was also strongly suggested not to confront the doctor. They never wanted a write up at the first pace but the doctor was insisting on write up. What bothers me is that just because somebody has an MD title can LIE, throw a nurse under the bus, demand her to be written up for false reason and get away with all that. The administration is on my side because logically whatever he says does NOT make any sense. According to him, I was arguing over the phone that the dose is too small and made a conscious chose to go against the order. This is INSANE!!! Why on earth would I do that ? I never discussed the appropriateness of the dose with him. By the way the patient developed EPS almost 4 days later after the dose.... I gave him a shot on Thursday and he developed EPS on Monday... I do believe he was given a nursing dose of the medication on over the weekend... But that is another story..... It really pisses s...t out of me everytime I recall him stating irritably: " Well... You asked me three times "Dr., are you sure you want to give such a small dose?". I NEVER questioned his order. He said that " everybody" in the world can witness that I said that. And this everybody is his wife.... What upsets me the most that disciplinary actions are NOT applicable to you if you happened to med school.
  10. I an very upset, mad, devastated, anxious and depressed. I received a TORB from a doctor for 10 mg or medication to be given once. 4 days later patient developed EPS (which is kind of strange because EPS would develop on second day not after 4 days.) I am suspecting that the patient was getting a "nursing dose" of the medication because no orders were documented 4 days after the shot he received from me. Any way.... the patient had EPS, mom got upset and started complaining. The doctor told the administration that I must be written up because he only ordered 5 mg. I would admit there is a small chance that I misheard the order ( it was busy on the unit that day) BUT he also told them that I suggested to give higher dose and asked him 3 times : " Are you sure you want to give such a small dose?" Later he told another nurse that I kept insisting on giving patient higher dose and , according to him" I gave higher dose despite his order of 5 mg. I do not recall him giving order for 5 mg and I know for SURE I never questioned his order, never insisted of higher dose. Such conversation NEVER happened between us. It was short and sweet: "Pt such as such does this and this. What can we get? Thank you, Bye! He is demanding to write me up. The management stated that they believe me but I am bitter about fact that the doctor can just throw you under the bus and there is NOTHING you can do. I called him and he got all defensive claiming I questioned the dose 3 times which is a big fat lie. he told me that ' everybody in the world can confirm I was insisting higher dose. I asked : "Who are those " everybody"? He said its his wife. Yaah... very unbiased witness....Uninterested party..... I never questioned his order. I was told not to confront the doctor and basically it was all swiped under the rug which is ok with me but I am fearful for my future. We are not allowed to record phone conversations with doctors and its is unrealistic to always have another nurse to witness the phone conversation especially when we have emergency situations requiring immediate call. In fact, we have another doctor, who is known for refusing her orders with multiple nurses....and no disciplinary actions are taken against her. Basically a doctor can very confidently give any order and than " hang it "on the nurse. How do I protect myself from this ever happening again??? This case really gives me depression ,anxiety and feeling of hopelessness.
  11. Irabee

    Triton application

    Hello to all I am trying to apply to Triton Rn program. I meet all requirements but one - my scores on recently passed TEAS test are too low for the program (I only didn't score well on reading portion of it). I want to retake TEAS but can only do it as early as 29th of January. The deadline for application is 1st January and I already have submitted the application. Does it mean that TEAS must be taken before 1st of January? I mean.. they probably won't start looking at applications until March and I plan to have TEAS passing scores in college system by that time. Will they deny my application because TEAS was taken after 1st January or the date of exam doesn't matter as long as it is on file by the time they start considering applications? I was told in Oakton college, for example, the deadline for prerequisites and taking tests is a month later than deadline for applications. Does any one know how is it at Triton? Thank you
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